Donald Trump argued that a GOP budget bill should help only Republican states instead of benefiting Democratic governors.
“We’re going to make a couple of tweaks,” Trump said of his “one big beautiful bill” during a Tuesday trip to Capitol Hill. “I mean, we don’t want to benefit Democrat governors, although I would do that if it made it better, but they don’t know what they’re doing.”
“We want to help all the states, but we have governors that are from the Democrat [sic] party, let’s say New York, Illinois, big ones, and let’s say Gavin ‘Newscum,’ who’s done a horrible job in California.”
Time for articles of impeachment. Or secession.
Secession is what Russia is blackmailing him for. Secede MAGA instead.
Civil War 2: Revolution Boogaloo
… and cue the facial Equal Protection problems.
Note that there’s no claim of it helping any people or benefitting constituents, even his own. In this world of narcissism, there’s only “what’s in it for me?” And “how to spite anyone who disagrees with me?”
and we should have seceded and stopped paying fed taxes a long time ago.
at least im doing my part. I can cheat my ass off on my taxes and take payments under the table. they’ll be none the wiser. especially now that they’ve gut the IRS. If that hurts the blue state i live in, fine. like i said, we should have seceded already.
Blue states cut off those wankers
They’ve been stupid and malicious for too damn long. Let them eat their own shit
I think the blue states should cut all the funding they provide for the government.
balkanization of the united states plays right into putin’s best interests. how about we just stack conservative bodies until this country stops being so fucking stupid?
It’s too late for that. Everyone is finding the exit for the USD as the reserve currency. That loss of soft power alone is seismic.
it’s never too late for that
Nope, it is. There is no reason anyone should trust the USD as a reserve currency. Even if Trump is impeached, Vance is impeached, and everyone down the line of succession is impeached until you get someone who isn’t MAGA, it’s still too late. It’d just be highlighting how unstable the US political system has become. Nobody wants to keep their reserve money in a system like that.
Yeah, better to just sit around and do nothing. It’s not like it could get worse.
i think you missed my point
Even just CA would absolutely make an impact.
California secession / Calexit would be beautiful. That is how I know it would never happen, even as rest of the US collapses into Gilead.
there is a petition. Sign it.
Here is the CalExit website. We got 210,000+ signatures through there, probably a bit more through other means. Hopefully Californians would do the right thing and reach the petition’s requirement. California should R&D the possibility of secession sooner, rather than have many surprises if later forced into a crisis.
If this were to ever happen in my mind it makes the most sense for Oregon and Washington to come with… Though that’s probably too much to ask
I love it. “Here’s a petition to betray the country. Any separatists come forward and put your name on this list.”
It will save sooooo much time.
(insert wendys meme here)
since you’re too dumb to notice, trump already betrayed the country.
trump already betrayed the country.
That means it’s time to separate the country from Trump.
Far past the time, actually, but it’s never a bad time to get started.
Divided States of America (DSA)
Untied states of America
Remind me which states pay all the fucking taxes again?
Mine pays for a huge number of them. California.
We’re going to vote on whether we want to seriously pursue succeeding from the US in 2028. If this shit doesn’t stop, I imagine things will slowly fall apart in this country.
California recently (this year, I believe) became the fourth largest GDP in the world, previously the fifth.
Technically, it isn’t a vote for secession, but rather a vote for dedicating resources towards researching the option. Which, honestly, would be better IMO. It gives California options, since we don’t exactly know how things will look two-four years from now. We could have AOC sweeping out Trump in a special election, we could have Trump’s parade murdering civilians who block the procession, we simply don’t know.
So we should all prepare our blue states for the possibility of conflict, be it knowledge, resources, or institution. Hope for the best, expect the worst.
I’m down for this.
2028 is a long way away.
Well, huh. If half the state participates, and 55% of the participants vote yes, it’ll mean a vote of no confidence in the US, but won’t actually mean secession. It’ll form a commission to study the viability though.
Remind me again why some states would want to remain in a union if they aren’t benefiting from the partnership
Just asking but what about Kansas that has 3/4 districts support the President and a Dem gov cause our most populated district is the blue one? Do we get the money? Half? Maybe we get the money but we go screw ourselves later?
As soon as tornado season is in full swing … you’ll know your answer
The response to what happened in Tulsa was abject neglect; if it had happened in any other area of Oklahoma, it would have mattered. But Tulsa is Black and Blue.
But they won’t know when the Tornados are coming because Trump gutted NOAA
Hey I only start civil wars in OTHER countries.
Sounds like something a CIA chatbot would say … hmmmmmm
Those of us in Missouri and Kentucky already know
This is what always blows my mind. All these states with leadership bitching about mooching off the federal government are exactly the states which mooch off of the federal government, because their states produce literally nothing.
Wrong. Those states produce violent fascists and religious kooks. Build a wall around them and stop fucking giving them money.
Not completely true. They produce various goods, they just have so many dumb poor people that it’s a net loss.
Can you point out specific examples?
It’s not specific, but most of those states produce food.
Can we just get to the Civil war part of this timeline already, I’m fucking tired man
They have said the next civil war we’ll be bloodless if the left allows it. And it seems the left doesn’t even know they are in a civil war.
The civil war has already started- and the “opposition” seems pretty content to spend the first stages allowing MAGA to set up the battlefields and terms of engagement to their liking.
It never ended. The side that thought it won just stopped fighting.
They didn’t only stop fighting- they tried to find a middle ground. Dipshits.
I realize I’m making some optimistic assumptions about the durability of our election apparatus, but if we can’t get a shift in power at the midterms I suspect the fascist in chief will accelerate his rate of attacks on freedoms and it won’t be long after that. I predict we make it no later than slightly past the midterms before hitting that point unless there’s a big shift on the congressional side of things.
Not so much because I think people will take to the streets with that in mind, by the way, but because tensions will be so high that somebody somewhere is going to make just the wrong mistake, some people are going to die or get badly hurt, and it’s going to set things off from there.
I’m just so fucking pissed that Trump keeps pulling his fucking punches. He’s made so many missteps only to walk them back at the last minute. Still fucking horrible, still hurting people, but avoiding the vast majority of the actual impact and lethality of his decisions.
Tariffs being example A, B, C and D.
I do NOT want prices to skyrocket, I do not want people to suffer, I do not want a fucking civil war. But holy shit. You can’t play stupid chicken as the president and continuously get away with saying “oops” sorry someone else ruined the sick flip I was going to do over and over.
If he’d been forced to commit, he’d likely already be dead or out of office.
I’m so fucking exhausted.
I’m so fucking exhausted.
You and me both. 🫂
You can’t play stupid chicken as the president and continuously get away with saying “oops” sorry someone else ruined the sick flip I was going to do over and over.
If you are Trump, for reasons I still cannot fully fathom and which have seriously damaged my view of humanity in general, you can, it seems.
No, he hasn’t really held back. The worst damage has its effects delayed, but will become apparent within two years: The elimination of food and drug standards, the death of NOAA’s weather services, the destruction of our scientific institutions, cutting of federal workers of every category.
Our society has been hollowed into a house of cards, and will only require a breeze for everything to fall apart.
If there is a civil war, I’m sure the enemies of the US would rejoice. It’s like that onion article that’s like “al queda decides to sit back and watch US destroy itself”.
But aside from that, I hope the conservatives lose. And I hope after they lose, we learn from history. Don’t just let them come crawling back into power like after the first civil war. The ultra rich and their lackeys need to be removed from power, and kept out.
Then again, the 14th amendment should disqualify Trump and a bunch of the republicans, and that doesn’t seem to matter.
Personally, I think a United States that has eliminated the GOP, we would actually be able to reobtain Super Saiyan status among the nations of earth. Our greatest weakness, is that many parts of our governance are dated compared to the institutions of the European Union - we can’t elect many good politicians, rife with corruption, a broken social identity where American cannot be defined, abusive corporations and employers, failing education, the failure of the social contract, ect. For the last 40ish or so years, American has been running on inertia and a big military stick, which masked the erosion of America.
Fix these things, and suddenly the US might become a genuine super power again.
Fix these things, and suddenly the US might become a genuine super power again.
It’s going to take a helluva lot longer than “suddenly” for the rest of the world to trust the USA again.
You fuckwits knew what Trump was and you went and made the same stupid fucking mistake again 4 years later.
Even if you kick Trump and the MAGAts out, how can we trust that you won’t simply let them seize power again in a couple of years?
It’s going to take a generation of sane progressive leaders before anyone will start to forgive and forget.
The GOP really is the worst of us, and removing it would do wonders. The Democrats aren’t perfect (or even good half the time), but they’re like herpes compared to the gop’s aggressive cancer.
If there is. There already is. The revolution we’ll be bloodless if the left allows it - Kevin Roberts. Leader of project 2025.
The Dems mostly are the ultra rich and their lackeys. Don’t get your hopes up.
If they try to secede this time, we should just let them fucking go.
I mean, let them go with crippled legs and salted earth, but yeah.
I mean… when they stop stealing taxes from the other states and realize how little they produce on their own and how few ports they have on their river ways… They can have a merry brexit all on their own.
It’ll be super fucked if we do. If it’s left vs right you’ll have most of the major cities besieged by rural folk. If it’s state on state, Red and blue states both will have to “secure” vast swaths of their populations or suffer constant sabotage.
This isn’t as easily cut and dry, north vs south, as the US civil war was. Modern civil war would be a hell of destroyed cities and slaughtered or starving innocents. Just look at all current conflicts. You may be tired now, but it’s nothing compared to the reality of what USCWII would be.
Closest analogous conflicts I could imagine would be when the us bombed eastern europe. Urban areas would be bereft of food and incoming supplies, rural areas would be bereft of most foods and incoming supplies, and everyone devolves into roving gangs and desperate attempts to fortify an area of ‘trusted’ neighbors.
Reading the first hand accounts of what people went through is enough to make me horrified whenever anyone talks about the possibility of a civil war with glee. They don’t have the imagination or the knowledge to comprehend what neighbor vs. neighbor really looks like.
Which is why we should all be joining up with supportive local community groups, like, yesterday. Under this administration, one should best assume that there is no official safety net anymore. The dictator-in-chief can sign an executive order and remove everything on a whim.
We’re going to be reliant on our neighbors in a way we haven’t seen in generations. Get involved and start making connections now. There are organizations across the country that serve their own communities.
One quick note - be mindful of how those organizations are funded. If they rely on government funding, that means they’re beholden to the government. To this government. Which can choose to withhold funding or to attach ridiculous strings to it. On the other hand, if they’re completely donation-based by the local community, they can remain faithful to their members’ interests and keep running regardless of which politicians are in charge. Just something to keep in mind.
He’s saying he wants to make that imbalanced dynamic worse than he did last time. It’s a comically nihilistic strategy - or at least, it would be, if I didn’t live in one of the bluest states in the damn country
What would it take for those states to stop collecting Federal income taxes?
A complete restructuring of our educational system at the moment. Right now there’s so many title one schools per state, which receives funding for additional educational assistance for students with low test scores. Money to hire in class para educators and teacher assistance, hell some of the schools in my state, even get money so that we can provide breakfast and lunch for kids who can’t afford it.
I don’t have hard concrete numbers right now, but the last time I checked Florida was receiving billions of dollars in student money that basically amounted to $2000 per kid in public schools 
Didn’t the DoE get axed? You still think that money is a sure thing?
Oh. Sorry. i misread. I thought he was asking what it would take for states to not “take” federal tax money from the Feds.
Mississippi and Arkansas.
The state that contributed the most taxes also elected Gavin Newsom and houses Elon Musk / Peter Thiel.
They are getting what they deserve.
Uh…
Muskovite’s primary residence is Boca Chica, Texas. (Much to my chagrin…) 🤷♂️
It’s amusing to me that progressive talking points are the exact same as right wing ones.
Nope, I downvoted you both.
based
Fair.
Paraphrasing a local comedian
“The left knows something’s wrong, the far right knows something’s wrong, the problem is that if you’re on the left and your talk to someone from the far right they’ll tell you “The elite are controlling us!” and yeah… “The government is hiding things from us!” and yeah again… “Vaccines cause autism!” and… Nope!”
California, Oregon, Washington. I think you should join Canada! Free Health Care. It’s not perfect, but you won’t lose your house or life savings if you have a health issue.
California, Oregon, Washington.
New independent country. We’ll call ourselves, “North Chile.”
California, Oregon, Washington. I think you should join Canada
And if we don’t want them?
Even the most left-ish states are still relatively right leaning by Canadian standards.
California is bigger GDP than Canada
Believe me, many of us are down for that. Or the Pacific States of America. Or Cascadia and the Republic of California.
It’s the devastating war that would follow that we’re nervous about.
Also where would California get water?
Repurpose the golf courses and stop growing stupid water hogging crops in the fucking desert. The city I live in is unusual for Cali in that it has plenty of water.
We’re already building desalinization plants along with more renewable energy than we need.
Same as now. The poverty-stricken inland will be desperate for the money and free to exploit their natural resources without regard to their future
And here in Canada, we’re facing threats of annexation and crippling tariffs. From what was our closest neighbour and ally. We’re already devastated.
The northeast still loves you. We’re sorry we invited that side of the family to the little league game and drunk red neck uncle is out there shouting gibberish and threatening everyone he sees
Michigan still loves you. This is like watching your drunk dad run out onto the little league field and start punching the refs and little kids.
We’re still your allies and friends! We’re devastated that it’s come to this. You guys are the best!
Could you maybe hurry up and annex Minnesota in retaliation?
Perty please?
The devistating war is already on, and has been for generations. Maybe it’s a cold war from folks perspective, but I would contend that’s a matter of privilege.
Cascadia and the Republic of California
Dibs on the band name.
I imagining a mix of grunge and Red Hot Chili Peppers. Not sure how that would work, but I’m sure you’d find a way to rock it.
Oi let’s get a Revolt app server up and running for each state and get people on it to work together to make that happen
Especially to work on all kinds of issues, discuss things, inform each other, collaborate, & show progress/milestones for all kinds of things
That’s what we’re all missing. A huge community for each state with ability to set it to specific cities/towns while still being informed about whole state. And have a server for whole country too
That way we don’t waste more time trying to reach out to people, or get people to do because we would all be in the same servers
Yes, please! I would gladly join, and a lot of us are down with that idea already.
Time for blue states to stop paying federal tax, then.
“The United [sic] States.”
The Segregated States of Americans, nee United.
The Confederacy (took them awhile to get all their people in place since the 1800s)
I don’t think he realizes this isn’t the gotcha he thinks. That means the poverty line between the states that already exists is going to get even worse, because they are taxing the lower income brackets even worse.
That must be comforting to hear to republican citizens living in those blue states.
All those red districts in blue states, get ready to get screwed. Trump ain’t helping you.
Unless you’re in the top 1% of wealth, he isn’t helping you either.
Yesterday I drove into my home town, where I grew up. It’s been hard to go there since MAGA erupted. In a usually-blue state, my home town (and the surrounding area) goes deep red. I wish I could say it was inexplicable, but I grew up around these people - their current authoritarian boot-licking matches up with everything I always knew about them.
How wonderful this news could’ve been to hear on the TV 12 hours ago, when I was back in that town, sitting in a waiting room. There was only one other person in the room, a middle-aged white guy who kept loudly saying things in response to the news on the TV. I’m pretty sure he was just trying to chat with someone, but I know how easy it is to accidentally set some people off, and I’m not about to make small talk about the news with a stranger in that town.
So I ignored him. He kept making unsolicited commentary. I kept reading my phone. Thankfully, someone eventually entered the room with a dog, and that gave the man a chance to start a conversation about the good boi, which the dog’s owner happily obliged. But now I wonder what he would have said if this story had been on the news at that time. It might have actually been entertaining.
I live in an extremely blue city in an extremely red state so I’ll be sitting in the fabled catbird seat.
Let’s fucking Balkanize already. My blue state has all the nukes and I would love to use them on Trump and his red-state dick sucks.
I hate that we’re literally funding them to drag us all back to the dark ages since the blue states receive less than they pay in taxes and vice versa with the red.
I agree with but every state has blue voters too
The red states don’t have enough blue voters but they do have plenty
And the opposite is also true.
There isn’t one state that has all the nukes.
Let me sure I got this right. Your plan is to take states that don’t like you and teach them to be more independent of the federal government, is that correct?
You think he has a plan?
Perhaps concepts of a plan?
That’s wildly optimistic
