Authoritarian is a made up word that describes what every state does, but makes it sound scary. Every definition of authoritarian is either so vague as to describe every state or so specific you might as well just say [INSERT COUNTRY YOU ARE SCAREMONGERING ABOUT]
So what do you think happened in Tiannamen Square?
Also you can’t just say one event that happened almost 40 years ago as if that ends the argument. By that logic, Kent State Massacre! MOVE bombing! Waco! Hell, January 6th!
Propagating long debunked US state department propaganda puts you “on the side of” (childish way of perceiving the world) the US, wether or not you agree with US policies. This is not due to some “tribalistic” gut reaction against someone daring to criticise a communist country - criticism is good - but because you repeat tired cliches that have been talked through ages ago. Ironically you then respond in a tribalistic matter - The second you are called out for your baseless bullshit, you immediately camp those who critique into one lump group of rabid outsiders.
Better yourself
what does it say? I’d love to hear whatever formless bullshit you have absorbed from mass media that you think you know about it without having read anything. tell us who Wang Dan and Chai Ling are, Mr. Expert on Tinyman?
By “authoritarian”, you mean “it doesn’t have neoliberal parties destroying the welfare or fascist parties destroying civil rights”, right?. As an EU citizen, I cannot even imagine how good it must feel not being under the constant threat of the destruction of the welfare state.
The Chinese government has higher approval rates in China than any EU country in its borders, and Chinese citizens consider democracy highly important and their country highly Democratic:
Also, yes, it controls a great amount of the world production. You can thank the gods it’s China controlling it and you won’t suffer a murderous embargo the way Cuba is forced to suffer at the hands of the west.
It’s not really a fair poll when dissent is punished.
Please provide a source for this statement. I have never heard about chinese people being punished for answering a poll wrong.
We have more reason to trust chinese sources than western ones, considering the long and proud history of lying on behalf of the regime every big western source has. However since you are mired in bigotry havard studies show the same satisfaction
While the list experiment results are lower than what we see in direct questioning, they still indicate high levels of popular support, at around 62-77%. This is much higher than the levels of support for government we see in the United States (33%), France (31%) and Britain (29%), according to the most recent World Value Survey results. And it is higher even than what we see in the Scandinavian countries, which otherwise enjoy among the highest results in the world: Denmark (39%), Finland (42%), Norway (59%), Sweden (51%).
Yep, however from the article itself “List experiments have their own problems, however: researchers have found that because the questioning technique is more complicated, it introduces unintended reporting errors that may even outstrip errors from strategic misreporting. In other words, it may be that simpler direct questioning methods produce more accurate results.”
It also goes into other methodologies based on this bias and if the bias even exists in the first place and at the end they conclude:
In other words, people in China do not seem to self-censor based on fear. The authors conclude: “Across a variety of studies using different methodologies, a good deal of evidence suggests that the Chinese people are willing to answer politically sensitive questions in a truthful manner.”
So, the questionaire results seem trustworthy still and the list experiment results might have a “wtf are they even asking me” bias (and still come out ahead of every other country).
Liberals will never question why they have such stong emotional reactions to perceived injustices outside the empire and also be so emotionally numb to nightmarish atrocities in their own backyard.
One fun saying ive read before but I sadly can’t attribute it directly (Xinjiang atrocity propaganda):
White people hate Muslims. White people hate Chinese, but they seem to be in love with these Muslim Chinese.
only that one specific group of muslims in china too! by and large they dont even know about the other muslim ethnic groups.
by pure coincidence, the group they know so much about happens to be the one the US tried to use as a spear against china, among other things by spreading wahhabist nonsense amongst them.
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Authoritarian is a made up word that describes what every state does, but makes it sound scary. Every definition of authoritarian is either so vague as to describe every state or so specific you might as well just say [INSERT COUNTRY YOU ARE SCAREMONGERING ABOUT]
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I watched protesters eyes blown out of their sockets by American police just a few years ago, don’t even have to reach back 30 years.
So what do you think happened in Tiannamen Square?
Also you can’t just say one event that happened almost 40 years ago as if that ends the argument. By that logic, Kent State Massacre! MOVE bombing! Waco! Hell, January 6th!
I love how everyone here is acting tribalistic and assuming I’m on the side of the US. Get your head out of the sand.
Propagating long debunked US state department propaganda puts you “on the side of” (childish way of perceiving the world) the US, wether or not you agree with US policies. This is not due to some “tribalistic” gut reaction against someone daring to criticise a communist country - criticism is good - but because you repeat tired cliches that have been talked through ages ago. Ironically you then respond in a tribalistic matter - The second you are called out for your baseless bullshit, you immediately camp those who critique into one lump group of rabid outsiders.
Better yourself
The Tiananmen Square “Massacre” Never Happened
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Squares can’t talk. Anyway have you ever seen the full video of the tanks leaving the square?
what does it say? I’d love to hear whatever formless bullshit you have absorbed from mass media that you think you know about it without having read anything. tell us who Wang Dan and Chai Ling are, Mr. Expert on Tinyman?
By “authoritarian”, you mean “it doesn’t have neoliberal parties destroying the welfare or fascist parties destroying civil rights”, right?. As an EU citizen, I cannot even imagine how good it must feel not being under the constant threat of the destruction of the welfare state.
The Chinese government has higher approval rates in China than any EU country in its borders, and Chinese citizens consider democracy highly important and their country highly Democratic:
Also, yes, it controls a great amount of the world production. You can thank the gods it’s China controlling it and you won’t suffer a murderous embargo the way Cuba is forced to suffer at the hands of the west.
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Please provide a source for this statement. I have never heard about chinese people being punished for answering a poll wrong.
We have more reason to trust chinese sources than western ones, considering the long and proud history of lying on behalf of the regime every big western source has. However since you are mired in bigotry havard studies show the same satisfaction
Here’s a good blogpost by Jason Hickel (the good one) that talks about possible skewed data and such: Support for government in China: is the data accurate?
Yep, however from the article itself “List experiments have their own problems, however: researchers have found that because the questioning technique is more complicated, it introduces unintended reporting errors that may even outstrip errors from strategic misreporting. In other words, it may be that simpler direct questioning methods produce more accurate results.”
It also goes into other methodologies based on this bias and if the bias even exists in the first place and at the end they conclude:
In other words, people in China do not seem to self-censor based on fear. The authors conclude: “Across a variety of studies using different methodologies, a good deal of evidence suggests that the Chinese people are willing to answer politically sensitive questions in a truthful manner.”
So, the questionaire results seem trustworthy still and the list experiment results might have a “wtf are they even asking me” bias (and still come out ahead of every other country).
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Liberals will never question why they have such stong emotional reactions to perceived injustices outside the empire and also be so emotionally numb to nightmarish atrocities in their own backyard.
One fun saying ive read before but I sadly can’t attribute it directly (Xinjiang atrocity propaganda):
only that one specific group of muslims in china too! by and large they dont even know about the other muslim ethnic groups.
by pure coincidence, the group they know so much about happens to be the one the US tried to use as a spear against china, among other things by spreading wahhabist nonsense amongst them.
curious.
And what does Tienanmen Square say? Enough with the vagueposting, say what you mean, liberal.
say sike now lol
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