Multiple people at Boulder’s Pearl Street Mall in Colorado were burned when they were attacked by a man during a march for Israeli hostages Sunday, according to police.
Witnesses at the scene told CBS Colorado that the suspect attacked people with Molotov cocktails who were participating in a walk to remember the Israeli hostages who remain in Gaza.
Run For Their Lives, which organized the walk, said, “This is not a protest; it is a peaceful walk to show solidarity with the hostages and their families, and a plea for their release.”
“So we stood up, lined up in front of the old Boulder courthouse, and I was actually on the far west side. And there was somebody there that I didn’t even notice, although he was making a lot of noise, but I’m just focused on my job of being quiet and getting lined up. And, from my point of view, all of a sudden, I felt the heat. It was a Molotov cocktail equivalent, a gas bomb in a glass jar, thrown. Av [another marcher] saw it, a big flame as high as a tree, and all I saw was someone on fire,” said Victor.
Video of the scene shows what appears to be a burn scar in front of the old courthouse and a person being taken away on a stretcher. Photos from a viewer show a shirtless man at the scene being detained by police.
FBI Director Kash Patel, in a statement, described the incident as a targeted terror attack and said agents were on the scene.
Redfearn, however, said it was too early to speculate about a motive. “We are not calling it a terror attack at this moment,” he said.
It’s tragic, but Israel was no angel.
If they weren’t doing a genocide; this wouldn’t have happened
Clearly they just got burned by their meth pipes, or whatever other deflection right wingers would use about a legitimate protest being attacked like this.
Paid crisis actors.
True.
Ultimately whatever your feelings on this action…Isn’t this kinda the inevitable conclusion without any effort to de-escalate?
The ruling class has made it perfectly clear that any and all posturing and moralizing about political violence and human rights is complete cynical horseshit so inevitably you’re going to have people that call them on it. Wrong target, wrong method et al…I don’t know how we really are supposed to engage in that kind of dialogue when nobody in authority seems to have any interest in doing so.
Run For Their Lives
How I want all colonizers to feel all of the time if I’m being honest
One of the worst attempts at a pun I’ve ever seen.
They didn’t run fast enough 🤣
“hostages” that were kidnapped from their tanks, i’m sure.
this ain’t it but i guess i’d be ok with firebombing a nazi rally so
sorry, bud. you can’t just set random people on fire. only Israel gets to do that
I love these psyops ahah news - “someone is attacking israeli for supporting a genocide” internet - “based” news- “noooo you should feel bad, the zios died!” Internet - “thats great news lol”
this is what the ruling class has decided will be normal
bud, “israel” turned those hostages into chunky marinara months ago
After ignoring strong evidence that hamas was planning a raid too. Israel wanted hostages and wanted those hostages to die.
Reading that article, it makes me wish those marching assholes got firebombed at least one more time. Not to mention the shit in there about how killing a Christian Zionist is antisemitic.
Run For Their Lives, which organized the walk, said, “This is not a protest; it is a peaceful walk to show solidarity with the hostages and their families, and a plea for their release.”
The journalist gets an F for not immediately asking what this person thought the best way to free the hostages would be. Guarantee it wasn’t ceasefire now.
They want a ceasefire where Hamas surrenders immediately and just gives up all the hostages in exchange for nothing.
”yeah this is the cult.”
Look i know the party line on adventureism, but im still gonna root for it
it was a bunch of american jews. not settlers, not soldiers, not servants of the zionist state
the optics of this attack are terrible. it doesn’t matter if you ‘know the party line on adventurism’ if you’re blackpilledly braying for blood anyways. that just gives zionists what they want— justification for their ‘it was never about palestine’ garbage. what a strategic faceplant and a gift to our enemies. i unironically completely disavow Boulder guy
EDIT: Thank you all for your perspectives. I see now the error of my ways and will embrace the revolutionary potential of “firebombing Assisted Living residents”
not servants of the zionist state
This is where you’re wrong. They certainly are servants of the zionist entity because they are spreading soft power on its behalf to draw attention onto some dumb settler hostages who had no goddamn right to be on the lands they have stolen, centering their needs instead of stopping the genocide which these settlers have helped commit. Its like if a bunch of germans held a rally to release fascist stormtroopers from soviet gulags, irredeemable support of fascism. They even refer to the genocide as a “war” on their website and the resistance fighters as “terrorists”, blatant genocide denial and propaganda.
embrace the revolutionary potential of “firebombing Assisted Living residents”
This conclusion of yours makes no sense whatsoever.
American jew here, I don’t care who says “free the hostages,” they all deserve to be treated the way the Palestinians in Gaza are treated.
The second I see someone wave the israel flag is the second they lose their humanity card, IMO
American Jews who what? We can’t keep infantilizing them, they are ignoring a genocide by bringing up “hostages” that even bibi doesn’t care about.
they’re genocide supporters, yes. A 10 year old with leukemia waving an israeli flag is also a genocide supporter. that doesn’t make them a strategically sound or particularly high-ranking assassination target
What are you talking about? They aren’t 10 year olds with leukemia they’re grown adults who should know better. They should have not supported fascism and genocide if they didn’t want to face the consequences. If there really was a 10 year old with leukemia waving around an israel flag, then the parents still should be held accountable for brainwashing their child with a hateful ideology.
A 10 year old with leukemia waving an israeli flag is also a genocide supporter.
IMO you’re basicaly appealing to the same issue we’ve struggled since the very beginning, this is basicaly questioning the morality of killing the Romanov children. Multiple generations of communists and socialists have been here, discussed, some struggled with it, some didn’t, in the end its a line you decide which side you sit on.
You can invent any number of hypotheticals e.g is it moral to kill a fascist mother and a father which may leave a child orphan? We’re not sitting here crying about the ultimate German civilian death toll of WW2 exactly because we’ve accepted the ones ultimately responsible for creating that situation.
You’re right in a sense that our concept of justice is still very much tied to revenge and that can often lead to parallel lines to how everyone else feels about justice. Should every German civilian suffer the same pain and suffering the Nazi German government and army inflicted on the Soviet people? A huge number of people would say yes. I’m not sure socialists in general have a better concept of “justice” in of itself beyond just recognizing the best way to create a just world is to make it so we as a society don’t ever get to ask and make these choices.
I turned a lot to Norman Finkelstein since Oct 7th and he has compared Oct 7th to the Nat Turner rebellion as he does here
When he explains Oct 7th as being violent and horrible but why not condemn it he also explains if you ask at times in history a lot of horrible things happened and it pointless to deny it. I liked the way he handled the question. Of course this is not at all like Oct 7th, but you can put these “adventurism” incidents along the same line as a direct consequence of the genocide.
Are these people directly responsible? Maybe, maybe not. You can put any number of hypotheticals and say they’re all horrible but as he puts it best at the end there about what the message was, “we warned you, you keep trying to treat us this way that is what is going to happen to you”. Obviously we’re not Palestinians but the hopelessness that leads to adventurism as the only alternative is the same.
If the Zionists think they can hide behind social outrage and “morality” to avoid horrible acts of revenge or hopeless resistance, then they’re about to fuck around and find out. They’re are hypocrites, we already know this. Will it just make Zionists stronger? Perhaps but for sure pragmatism is not a convincing argument.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
These incidents aren’t about strategically sound actions, they’re spontaneous acts of outrage against a genocide the Western world seems to have deemed no big deal. This is the price the rulers of the West have decided as acceptable to continue supporting genocide. These acts will continue, no doubt about it, and who are we to stay they should stop? May not be strategically sound, but can you honestly say it’s immoral to kill a supporter of an active genocode?
I am not saying its immoral, i’m saying its counterproductive-- precisely because everyone who isn’t an terminally online leftist thinks it’s immoral
Who gives a fuck about what the average american thinks? The average german in the 1930s has the same political views as the average american.
Trying to garner public support after 2 years of genocide is worthless.
"They are acting on their values with consistency and continuity. Committing massacres against innocent civilians does not trouble their conscience any more than you stepping on a bug troubles your conscience.
They don’t see anything to feel guilty about, they feel that they have done something good. You have to understand this because if you don’t you will severely and dangerously underestimate their danger, and you’ll make the fatal mistake of believing that you’ll ever appeal to their sense of morality, that you can ever appeal to their conscience.
And you make the catastrophic mistake of trusting them or trusting their intentions, and Wallahi there are tens of millions of their victims crying out from their graves telling you not to trust them. "
the average american is against israel. doesn’t mean they’re for attacking zionists. that’s the critical issue here.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
And they’re saying “who cares”. We don’t control these actions, they’re spontaneous. Whether they are productive or counterproductive is irrelevant, they’re just a part of the background radiation of our society now. They are a symptom, and Americans really really love the cause and won’t let it go so here we are.
The crying over adventurism and optics is getting old. It’s going to happen either way. People are doing adventurism because they are rightfully frustrated at the open support of their own government, their own complicity by virtue of paying taxes if nothing else, and the lack of any other options, and no, some march or demonstration doesn’t count as an option.
The American public’s opinion re: the genocide is entirely irrelevant. There’s a far better chance that consistent stochastic terror acts against Zionists convinces the US elite to stop providing support to Israel than the opinions of the public. There’s no need for the USAmerican state to listen to the will of the public, and indeed they never have unless backed up with the promise of violence.
not sure how to square this with our narrative that genocide cost
enough votes to matter
Disagree, look at their organization’s website. Those people are sick in the head and I hope their skin grafts hurt like hell
I donno. Anti Isreal people need to hit at high ranking assassination targets while Isreal kills countless children and wipes out full bloodlines?
in our relative safety we should be more judicious with our targets, yeah probably.
all Palestinian violence against israel is justified but i wouldn’t romanov netanyahu’s minor grandchildren
I stand corrected then, that is what I get for not reading the article
Came to post this, could care less some settlers get lit up.
looks like adventurism will get more popular
Something smells off about this whole thing.
I’m sure Isreal would love a Reichstag moment. Cops were out doing vandalism during the George Floyd protests and everyone was blaming anti-fascists and BLM for it.
There is no reason for a march for hostages on Pearl Street except to antagonize people. I’ve seen them out there before with Israeli flags trying to piss people off. Boulder is extremely liberal, too.
I think it’s revealing when the organizers said their event is not a protest. A protest is a political demonstration where the attendees shows disapproval of an entity which has power. Zionists have the full backing of the US government. Zionists are happy about the actions of the US government. Zionists are happy about the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Protests demonstrate for oppressed people, a demonstration for the oppressor is not a protest at all.
By admitting that their political action is not a protest, the participants admit that they support the genocide in Gaza and they admit that they are not being oppressed. They’re not protesting, they’re gloating.
When they talk about hostages, we all know they’re bullshitting because they have this shit-eating grin like they know what they’re doing and they feel untouchable. Crybully behavior, some of the worst people on Earth.
I’ve seen them out there before with Israeli flags trying to piss people off.
Well, it looks like they got more than they bargained for.
Chuds always say “FAFO” until it happens to them
Palestinians rule
I’m choosing to read it as
BLACKS
BULE
A reichstag moment to do what? What they’re already doing?
Long-term prison sentences for any pro-Palestinian protesters in the US under the Patriot Act. They are expelling students and deporting people, but the longest they’ve been able to sentence anyone is three years for felony vandalism, with most being around 30~90 days for maximum sentences.
They would prefer if it was decades or life sentences, and especially if it was without parole. Even better for the zionists if they could arrest people for statements said outside of protests. They could equate anti-zionism as no different than threatening to blow up a federal building.
I saw a video of the perp on reddit and he seems like a basket case. Just the right kind of unhinged the fbi could wind up and set lose like a top.
‘tear up texas’
uhhh ‘immolate up Israelis’?
It really doesn’t seem off at all. Seems like something that would totally happen, actually.
Not specifically hexbear, but just Lemmy in general always spins off conspiracy theories for every single thing that happens, it seems like.
False flag operations have been used consistently in modern history to sway public opinion. To discredit the possibility as implausible is arguably just as outlandish as claiming X did Y without any evidence; especially when there is a clear vested interest in swaying public opinion on the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. (Online suppression of Gaza discussions. Media whitewashing of Israel crimes etc…)
To clarify; I’m not saying this was a false flag… I’m not really close enough to the subject to definitively say one way or another. And I definitely agree that tempers regarding the subject are incredibly high; so there’s the possibility that this was a crime of passion rather than a false flag.
I’m just pointing towards the fact that human history is a good barometer for this sort of stuff; and False flag operations aren’t exactly unheard of. Given Israel hasn’t exactly shown itself to be the most humane nation recently; why wouldn’t they use a historically effective technique?
here’s my reasoning for why there’s no reason to assume this is a false flag: i sometimes also would like to hurt zionists
Human behavior user talking about crimes of passion.
I think this is my first username checks out on Lemmy. :).I agree; it’s the same reason it’s hard to state whether the trump shooter was or wasn’t a plant… Because whilst the outcome definitely benefitted him, you can sympathise with what would lead someone to those extremes. But it’s exactly that sort of public opinion about a group that makes false flags all that more desirable to them in the first place; It’s a lot easier to gain support when seen as a victim.
Still, any sane person realises that throwing a Molotov is not equal to routinely bombing children’s hospitals… But sanity left this topic a long time ago.
