my favorite part of all of this is all the liberal whinging about places like China really hinges on the belief that you have free speech here but not there and now we’re all gonna get locked up for social media posts and shit. wow if I’m gonna have the authoritarianism it’d be nice to have the pro worker policy and constant improvement to society!
Is this another tanky group? 6-12 workweeks for starvation wages are not quote a flex on worker rights.
6-12 workweeks for starvation wages
also I’m kinda mad but in my haste to post this morning I didn’t even think to tell you THE WORKING CONDITIONS ARE THAT BAD HERE. HOLY SHIT. FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE IS STILL LIKE $7.25 AND I PROMISE YOU PEOPLE EXIST WHO ARE PAID THAT. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
sorry you’re living in a liberal bubble where you don’t even realize the statistics neoliberal shits like Stephen Pinker rely on to peddle the image of capitalism improving global poverty draws almost all gains against said poverty from China
Weird how China’s responsible for all that and not, say, India, or the recovery of post- Soviet Russia, it’s almost like, gosh, having a communist party running things results in constant improvements for working people, who’d have thunk it. Quick, what’s the rate of homeownership in China vs the west?? Man, love to be renting until i die, thanks capitalism. It’s worth it for all this free fucking speech
Enjoy your declining standard of living and life expectancy if you live anywhere in the west!
P.s. and soviet Russia took the country from a dirt farming tsarist shithole to a space power in the span of a few decades despite three absolutely devastating wars (WW1, 2, and the civil war) and despite being far behind the rest of Europe’s industry at their start.
It used to be you liberals would cry about how all that was built on the back of gulag slaves or whatever (despite America having the largest prison population both in absolute numbers and per capita, by far, with legalized slavery via the 13th amendment (and more widespread quasi slavery with prisoners paid pennies) and how America is the bastion of free speech. Well, guess what! None of that free speech has done a bit of good, at least not since the democrats entirely sold out to corporate interests. We speak, they listen, the american empire continues to plod along burning working people to death.
So yeah I guess I’m a tankie because if I’m going to live in a shithole without free speech I’ll take the one that actually improves my life. Hey, it’s almost like that’s why the CPC is actually incredibly popular in China, hmmm! (P.s. China’s not a shithole though)
Don’t associate me with these douchebags you’ve come to associate the United States with.
Wasting my time yet again, thinking I am talking to real people, only to find out they are tools of some foreign government looking to make cheap political points.
Wasting my time yet again, thinking I am talking to real people, only to find out they are tools of some foreign government looking to make cheap political points.
oh my fucking god
“this person ranting at me CAN’T be some guy who just rolled out of bed and hit a huge bong rip then got actually mad at some liberal who continues to persist in anti-China authoritarian brainworms while literally every bit of anti china propaganda turns out to be western projection. they MUST be an AGENT OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT looking to make CHEAP POLITICAL POINTS”
i’ll admit I’m here to shitpost but my god, be fucking grateful you get to interact with a real person on the internet while you still can. Pretty soon I’ll be in a camp and you’ll just have chatgpt to jerk off to
Lol. I haven’t eaten enough lead paint yet today to understand wtf you’re trying to say.
and here I was worried my own rambling comment would yield such insults, thank you comrade
I would never insult you, you’re a good liberal. We have to band together against these tankie scum coming in and supporting the authoritarian United States empire.
Lol i wrote out and then deleted a post about like do you think this guy thinks maga fascists are tankies because Authority!!
thinking I am talking to real people,
Fascists don’t consider anyone to their left to be human. Are you a fascist?
I’m so glad you’ve figured out and declared that you’re the only real and non-political person here. So very enlightened buddy.
As a Chinese bot who is paid by Chairman Xi himself (it’s a tough job but I’ve got a tiny little robot family to take care of), I’d like to invite you to use that superior human mouth to consume a bucket of sewage and expire.
tools of some foreign government looking to make cheap political points.
the enlightened big-brain take of “YEW ALL MUST B SEESEEPEE PUTIN AGENTS!”. Truly a vexing one.
The only “tool” here is the one gargling State Department (now full of TrAiTors, according to you) nonsense on socialism/communism while you live in a nation that relies on entire nations and a reserve army of labor domestically of terrorized minorities that work 6-12 workweeks on starvation wages. The political points out of your fuckin’ mouth would be cheap if they weren’t bought off by the blood of the marginalized, destroyed nations and cultures this “government” is built on.
While you’re at it, gripe and whine about traitors and SCOTUS while both sides of the aisle fund genocide.
Get off the high pedestal or use it to dunk your head in the toilet, nerd.
Hmm this really does seem like the opening salvo in a MAJOR escalation that goes beyond mere words or pandering to the base and sets the groundwork for uh not great things.
The Trump administration isn’t only targeting organizations or groups but even individuals and “entities” whom NSPM-7 says can be identified by any of the following “indica” (indicators) of violence:
- anti-Americanism,
- anti-capitalism,
- anti-Christianity,
- support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
- extremism on migration,
- extremism on race,
- extremism on gender
- hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
- hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
- hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.
Breaking this down a bit:
- extremism on migration,
Clearly to go after anyone against deportations, ICE, etc. Even someone just working the policy and judicial angle as say a lawyer who never attends protests would be a dangerous indicator of terrorism under this.
- extremism on race,
I have to wonder for some of these if it’s entirely up to the discretion of the cops doing the work or if there’s additional (secret) guidance defining these because on the surface this would certainly seem to suggest support for BLM or anything they deem “anti-white”
- extremism on gender
As with above I have to wonder if there’s additional secret guidance on the meaning of this one. Obviously trans rights activists (including any trans person who isn’t constantly denouncing their own existence I presume) would fall under this as would any feminists who are for abortion, are against the traditional 1950s Christian Protestant views on family, etc, etc.
The last three in the list are especially broad, vague, and therefore worrying but seem to reinforce the above and remove doubts about what extremism on race and gender are.
extremism on race,
I have to wonder for some of these if it’s entirely up to the discretion of the cops doing the work or if there’s additional (secret) guidance defining these
Come on now, you know cops are following
Make no mistake, anyone showing loyalty to country and her peoples are terrorists to this traitorous regime and their craven underlings.
They are actively betraying america, and we all know it. We all being we in reality here, the general population might need some time to catch up.
The US are not the good guys.
No shit? Show me the good guys in government, and I will show you an exciting investment opportunity sucker.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say but I’m saying that saying someone is betraying America is not a condemnation.
Is this entire instance tankies? Hexbear?
I do not know how I keep falling into these freaking discussions completely unaware everyone is just trying to make cheap Western Country bad points while our country’s burn as we try to save them.
hey I found something for you to ignore and not read so you can hide in your little dream world
Tankie is nothing more then the liberal version of woke.
and woke is just pinko, commie, etc
Hexbear is for leftists. Sure, here’s another cheap point for ya: if you love America, you’re fucking disgusting.
If you blame everybody that lives in a country for that country, you are unenlightened.
Is this entire instance tankies? Hexbear?
Your definition of tankies has expanded to include anarchists and other leftists who support actually existing socialism. It’s a cheap buzzword, common amongst shitlibs.
I do not know how I keep falling into these freaking discussions completely unaware everyone is just trying to make cheap Western Country bad points
Because you don’t know how to look at the instance you’re in? cheap “Western Country Bad” is hilarious coming from a western chauvinist.
our country’s burn
Less capitalist nations the better! Maybe…maybe they’re burning because of the economic system they practice…? I dunno…might be a cheap “western country bad” point…
tankies
Liberals please learn what words mean before using them, I’m begging you
No shit? Show me the good guys in government
There never is. There is objectively better governments, though. China has a higher protein rate consumption per capita, lower homelessness, higher home-ownership rate and generally a higher standard of life and approval rating for their government. From what I seen of local governance, generally more democratic under a “one-party system” than electing which real-estate crony is going to run your small town next cycle.
Vietnam, USSR, plenty of socialist examples. You are on a socialist instance, sucker.
Make no mistake, anyone showing loyalty to country and her peoples are terrorists to this traitorous regime and their craven underlings.
Fascists tend to infight and tear themselves apart. This time it’s going to be between different factions of the ruling class; blue or red doesn’t matter only ideological principles which tends to be a stark divide between the dying neoliberalism and fundamentalists/new-right that is emerging. In Nazi Germany, plenty of people who were “Loyal” yet not fascist were still supporting an evil entity. The same could be said for America.
the general population might need some time to catch up.
That would be the day we see America as it is currently is no longer exists.
Between the Antifa order and this, it seems like things are picking up steam.
I wish I was around people who at least cared, much less noticed, and weren’t Rightists. They’ll just think I’m exaggerating and paranoid as usual. It’ll probably be time to leave the country soon, guess we’ll see how this goes late 2025 and early 2026.
Stay safe, Comrades.
I don’t blame anyone for wanting to leave, I have to stay because I’m poor and disabled and leaving is pretty much an impossibility as most countries don’t want to take us.
Going down with the ship, I guess!
Sounds like it’s going to be like 1950’s America again but without the economic prosperity
That “economic prosperity” only existed for
s anywayNow it doesn’t exist for those same crackers and they’re teeing it up so nobody will prosper. Wonder how that’s going to go.
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extremism on migration,
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extremism on race,
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extremism on gender
they gonna lock maga up?
I’m certain that the document is referring to people who are anti-ICE, anti-racism, and anti-sexism/pro-LGBT. In the mind of the reactionary, extremism means going against their beliefs.
It says anti-capitalist and anti-trad fam so yes.
You don’t want to put migrants into concentration camps?
That’s prison.
You don’t want to reinstitute slavery?
That’s prison.
You think trans people are human beings?
That’s prison.
You don’t want to reinstitute slavery?
That’s prison.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
You don’t want to reinstitute slavery? Believe it or not, slavery
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My pronouns are now patriot and christian
“Yes, officer, patriot is right over there. I was just talking to christian a minute ago… patriot’s definitely the one”
Must be their attempt to detain U.S. citizens without trial or due process, if not now, in the future. Preventive prosecution.
With the scotus forbidding Nationwide injunctions there is nothing to stop the administration rounding up Americans and sending them to camps.
That is what that decision was made for. The Supreme Court canceled a former co-equal branch of government from being able to stop an executive branch fully intent on betraying the Republic in every way.
Scotus needs to resign in disgrace for traitorism, and all federalist society hacks need be sidelined. This dumster fire needs to burn out first. Fucking hack traitor cock scum all, by every right [redacted.]
Scotus needs to resign in disgrace for traitorism, and all federalist society hacks need be sidelined. This dumster fire needs to burn out first.
If you’re still around in 5 years, I’ll make a 50 dollar bet that the next blue-flavored one will do nothing but symbolic gestures and maybe a concession or two at most to roll any of this back and continue the immigration policy, economic policy and placate fundamentalist nonsense while China blows us apart in every metric. Maybe shitlibs could actually do something about their supposed grievances with Taiwan or Ukraine if they didn’t gargle the propaganda fed to them about how great capitalism is and western exceptionalism.
nothing to stop the administration rounding up Americans and sending them to camps.
There was nothing before. Something…guant…Guantanamo?
The federal judiciary was to stop them before, doing anything systematically it would get challenged and then shut down nationwide.
Now they can only provide specific relief to the person that actually manages to get their suit heard. Or they could try to get everyone that is now disappeared by the federal government or that may be disappeared by the federal government soon to join a class action lawsuit.
That was a huge judicial decision that is not recognized as such by our preening self important influencers and media. But even the better ones do not get it even as they continue to trust establishment figures.
The federal judiciary was to stop them before, doing anything systematically it would get challenged and then shut down nationwide.
Not in Guantanamo. Supreme Court actually approved it! Not in Afghanistan. Not in Iraq. Not in Gaza, more recently under the last admin and current. It didn’t stop the Patriot Act. It didn’t stop the extensive drone-strikes under Obama which the record was only broke by our recent President. It didn’t get us anything either, as even with a court and a supermajority Dems still decided to “compromise” on a dysfunctional healthcare act while chiding us that it is better than nothing. What point are you trying to make here? “pretty cheap”, using your own words.
Or they could try to get everyone that is now disappeared by the federal government
There was a very long period of time where that happened here in America on suspected communists, socialists, etc that moved onto Islamic terror threats shortly after 9/11. Or we could talk about the throes and throes of people disappeared in the vast swathes of nations America intervened, invaded or subjugated since the 1800s.
Essentially, what I am going to communicate to you in very simple terms is that we as communists never have believed in a capitalist nation that you have any rights at any point. All of your rights could be easily pushed aside, subsumed or “rewritten” by the will of the ruling class and have been only stumbled, temporarily, by organized labor. That was only one step.
Unrelated, but kinda related. I went back and listened to some early Chapo because it’s been years since I’ve listened. They were seriously debating whether Trump was a fascist or not. I had totally forgotten about that debate in the Discourse TM. It seems like all the doomsayers were right but they called it too early. That means the second Jan 6 will probably not be as funny. First as farce, then as tragedy.
Do you remember the episode # or title at all? I’m getting into them recently and trying to watch their “best episodes” and others that might be more relevant.
I can’t remember the specific one. I listened to Ep 3 then I got mad at the audio being bad so I jumped ahead to the 20s. Maybe 26 when they went to the RNC?
This might concern me if I could feel anything anymore
anti-Christian
Good; show him the videos of Israelis spitting on, insulting and attacking Christians; also show him the videos of Israelis insulting Jesus
I didn’t think Trump would be the president who’d declare Israel a terror state and yet here we are!
Don’t forget Israel attacking Christian churches in Palestine on Easter Sunday!
Well, it's fine when they do it
NSPM-7 is fundamentally a law enforcement directive, and it dispenses with the complications of using the active duty military or the National Guard in pursuit of political violence. It directs the Department of Justice to focus the FBI’s approximately 200 Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs) to the new mission. The FBI network of task forces comprises over 4,000 members—including FBI personnel and task force officers (or TFOs) from more than 500 state and local agencies and 50 federal agencies, including special agents, police officers, intelligence analysts and surveillance technicians. First established in New York City in 1980 to systematize FBI and NYPD cooperation, today there are task forces around the country, including at least one in each of the FBI’s 55 field offices.
Well there’s the reason he’s attacking Comey and the January 6 fbi agents right now. He’s terrorising them to scare anyone that might drag their feet on this.
Very critical to point out that this 4,000 member task force is not going to be enough to meaningfully enforce mass censorship and political repression across the country. It’ll be a gradual roll-out with the fascists seeking to make an example of groups and individuals that present themselves as easy or particularly prominent targets to try to scare everyone else into submission. That’ll backfire and they won’t really have the resources to handle the backlash without a pretty major mobilization.
Yeah my immediate thought upon reading this and the reason I quoted it was basically “ok so we already know what the exact precise hard limits for their manpower and work are”.
That information alone is valuable. It stops people from thinking “this is a limitless organisation of infinite power we are literally up against the entire United States” which is just not true at all but it’s how people perceive it without hard numbers.
Let me put this another way. I’m in orgs with more manpower than this here in the UK, and I’m sure some of you over there are too. You are bigger than they are.
Kind of looking like all signs are pointing to Trump being the american fascist with this. I know Norman Finkelstein disagrees because he claims there’s no left in the USA, and while I partially agree, like there’s no mass working class movement, I can’t see this as anything but a pre-emptive strike on any fomenting movements.
Finkelstein did not account for the fact that fascists always manufacture an opposition to justify itself regardless of whether there is an organized left domestically. Usually this means targeting a minority, or a perceived foreign threat.
I think Finkelstein’s thing isn’t that fascists need a real opposition to justify themselves, but that the militancy of fascism as a historical trend stems from defending capitalism from militant socialists/unionists/etc., and therefore is completely senseless for the ruling class to allow if it’s not actually fighting something. Obviously there are things like military dictatorships that have existed when the left was non-existent or just a bunch of libs.
It does not matter if there is an organized opposition. The only thing that matters is that Capitalism (in the case of the US, total world domination) is suffering set-backs. The cause of these set-backs does not matter. Even if they are completely self-inflicted, a price must be paid in blood.
I don’t think trump is gonna live long enough to really establish the burger reich. Although there’s plenty of ghouls happy to take his place.
I don’t think the issuing party’s vacation of office, in any form, vacates the directives?
So are we gonna sit back and let it happen, or are we going to organize and fight before history repeats itself?
As an outsider I’d be shocked if Americans did anything
Yeah but I would like to stay alive.
Trying to stay positive…
Can’t let these shits win
History is already repeating, and organizing when fascism is already in control of all levers of power is kinda a bit too late. After all the millions of Rotfront fighters and KPD voters did not vanish when the nazis came into power and didnt overthrow the nazis, and the american left is a joke in comparison.
What should I do then? Wait to get sent to a death camp? Hide?
There’s a giant quiet left across the pond.
Well folks, it’s been nice while it lasted.
The highest stage of imperialism is itching to start a big war right following steps out of falling apart ass department of war books, not just at home.
Good fucking luck with that lol. You’d have to arrest a majority of the country.
They dont, they just have to make people believe that they can.
Didn’t give them any ideas.
