• Cysio@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 days ago

    This is ukrainism in action — making yourself dependent on the US because of having to “defend yourself” against Russia

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      8 days ago

      I call it Ukranization of Europe (as opposed to the europeazation of ukraine) but I think you have a point, in other areas too the EU over these years has become more like ukraine because it has had to absorb all the anti-russia hysteria along with the ukraninan nationalist view of history

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      8 days ago

      Europe will never learn. They fear war so much that they shoot themselves in the foot. If they become financially independent, they would have a strong military that would stop wars from happening.

      Switzerland is also learning that US cannot be trusted blindly because you are neutral. Things can and will fuck you when you maintain “dependence” on anyone else.

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        7 days ago

        Switzerland is also learning that US cannot be trusted blindly because you are neutral.

        They are not neutral, they are very much central to us empire, just in the western humanitarian/lib internationalism sense. Oh and basically the money laundering machine of the west.

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        8 days ago

        If they become financially independent, they would have a strong military that would stop wars from happening.

        If Europe had independent and strong militaries, they would (re)-invade West Asia and Africa

        A weakened and contained Europe is a necessity for future human progress, otherwise they would recreate the imperialistic nightmares of the late 19th century

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            6 days ago

            Euro elites don’t care what you want, they’ll overextend themselves the minute they get enough arms to invade another country

            Crusader logic defines elite thought in Europe

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              6 days ago

              A pushover Europe makes US stronger, we need a weaker US right now. Europe problem will have to be solved later.

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          8 days ago

          also Switzerland wears its neutrality like some sort of force field that absolves it from being complicit in contributing to imperialism.

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        8 days ago

        I’ve meant Ukrainism as in a belief that Ukrainians have a right to a state, specifically in the current borders, including Crimea and Donbass