Democratic leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives have condemned a raid on Rep. Ilhan Omar’s home as “deeply disturbing” and accused the Trump administration of a “rogue abuse of power” just weeks ahead of November’s midterm elections.
Let’s see if they do anything besides strong words and maybe some paddles.
ICE is going to kidnap her and she’s going to be deported… it’s all part of the plan.
They’ve just announced their 1st public execution. I have a feeling this is going to become an expanding trend.
They what?
I didn’t doubt you, but fucking ew.
Yeah, “deported”.
More like “disappeared”. I hope not.
Yeah that would be another major escalation in the ongoing constitutional crisis. It’s one more bizarre take from Republicans. They would have lost their minds if Obama went after a member of congress. I will say this for the current administration, though, they’re doing a fantastic job of highlighting improvement opportunities for the Constitution. If the country miraculously pulls itself together enough to pass any kind of amendments at all, but especially one limiting executive powers, they should definitely be named after the person whose kind of behavior it’s trying to limit. I know they’re just numbered. I mean a name like “The Bill of Rights,” which describes the first ten amendments.
“The Agenda of Executing Trumpists”, perhaps?
“Deported” is just code for murdered these days.
If you get sent to a third world country you have no affiliation with, you’re already dead. It’s not like they’re getting sent anywhere safe.
Yep. I said this earlier. She’s going to be removed from the country.
It’s a good plan
A senator in Virginia got raided a while back. Another woman of color who was a Democrat.
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Fuck I did completely forget that. We’re definitely in the “Factors Leading Up To” part of the wikipedia entry now.
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uh… did you reply to the wrong comment? You seem to be lost.
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This is a pretty serious escalation. We all knew it was coming, so I’m not going to act surprised. But let’s all take a moment just to acknowledge how serious it is that a sitting president just had his DOJ (or DHS, whoever it was) raid the home of a political opponent without probable cause, any evidence or reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, and presumably no warrant.
Like we knew he was on a hitler kick, but this now so close to the midterms is just… well, very hitler of him…
They had a warrant supposedly, so some judge signed off on this too.
Yup, the rot isn’t only at the top. It’s in the system too, and will need to be excised accordingly.
TWO Strongly worded Letters are ABOUT to Drop!
Democrats SLAM Mister Drumpf for illegal deportation of sitting US Congresswoman
The dnc can get fucked. I hope the only ppl that win their elections are socialist candidates that want universal healthcare, taxing the rich, et al. Maybe then the dnc will get the message
DNC will declare bankruptcy before they change their tune
The GOP will bankrupt your country and massacre thousands on thousands before they change.
Get some fucking perspective and take action instead of moping.
Isn’t that the point? That we shouldn’t wait for the DNC to act but take matters into our own hands? That’s not moping, it’s saying no one is coming to save us so we don’t need permission to act.
I understand your point, but…
They’re not taking matters into their own hands either. They’re just waiting for someone DIFFERENT to come save them.
Isn’t this the meme “I like pancakes” - “So you hate waffles?”
Recently went to a community organized meeting where we coordinated ICE watch actions, how to pressure our school board, care packages for those they release, etc. They also asked us to vote and to talk to our families about voting.
So what are you doing? Besides just being a doomist?
I’m of the opinion that these doomers are either bots or closet republicans. Democrats have made mistakes but its suspicious that they never talk about the people actually doing the awful things that the Democrats are supposedly not doing enough to save them from while not holding any majorities.
I hope the only ppl that win their elections are socialist candidates…
I mean, I want to have those policies and services too, but you’re saying if it’s a non-socialist Democrat versus a Republican, you want the Republican to win?
I’m guessing if that happens you’ll get your wish for no DNC by 2028, because we’ll be a state-enforced one-party system by then.
but you’re saying if it’s a non-socialist Democrat versus a Republican, you want the Republican to win
We’re saying if its fascist or fascist-lite, we’ll select neither in order to pressure fascist-lite to do better. And if the Dems still dont wanna then they can lose. Its the only way to prerssure them. We cant play chicken we have to give them real consequences.
Sorry, but that doesn’t really make sense. Here are your options:
You don’t vote at all, or vote third party: If you totally sit out the vote, you are having no effect, or are voting for the status quo by omission.
You vote republican: You are voting for the worst outcome.
You vote democrat: You are voting harm reduction.
Now to be clear:
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“Harm reduction” is not just about you. It’s about LGBTQ people, it’s about people who are on ACA who will die due to continued cuts, it’s about immigrants who are going to be abused. Even if you think the democrats are “fascism-lite” (which I think is severely reductionist), you are severely downplaying, to the point that it mirrors GOP lack of empathy, the harms others are experiencing due to your refusal to vote for harm reduction.
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In the primary, please, please vote for the most progressive person you can find, and let corporate democrats eat all the dicks. But in the general, please don’t just think of yourself and your emotional response of “screw them all!” Because “them all” includes your allies.
P.S.: Also, what is the point of downvoting good faith discussion? It really is not nice.
These ideal purists don’t believe in harm reduction. The actual outcome isn’t important, they only care that their hands are clean.
You’re right, and I see the hope for pressuring to work but doubtful. If Harris won there wouldn’t be all this damage to the world. Wouldn’t have all the suffering in concentration camps paid by taxes, and they would be contributing to the communities they were. Things were better two years ago and all the regression is directly related to bad maga choices. All the blame on Biden for global issues was dumb, but too many don’t care or know better so it will continue unfortunately.
You think blaming Biden for the genocide he actively supported is dumb?
voting is not harm reduction
They’re not debating in good faith. They’re accelerationists and both sidesers, they work for MAGA.
Accelerationists wouldn’t support maga. Congrats on learning a new word, but it works better when you know what it means.
Hello brand new account attempting to discourage voting!
Nope, vote as much as you can!
What else ya got?
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So you’ll accelerate the fascism to punish the significantly empirically less fascist group? Sound fuckin logic there brainiac. So you want fascism. You’re a fascist accelerationist.
I sure am, but I do hope the dems leadership pulls their heads out of their arses before the system immolates, but I’m not going to stand around while the government oils the gears of our half assed democracy with the blood of innocents. If it literally takes blood to continue, then it needs to end. You’re just whining because you are so sure the blood wont be yours-- when you shouldnt be sure. Thats ghoulish, bud. And a tad evil and short sighted. But you do you.
The Dems will stand around with their dicks in their hands while the whole thing implodes. There’s no common sense in that tent
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No I’m saying your “logic” is stupid and self defeating because it is.
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Thats all you weak fuckers do, condemn this, condemn that, when are you fucking spineless losers actually going to persecute anyone over their crimes.
*prosecute
And/or
I know what I said.
Persecution implies that it’s unjust. So I’m not sure that you do.
Keith Ellison’s the AG of Minnesota. He was supposed to be one of the Ultra Far-Left Super Socialist Antifa Progressives. Is he planning on pressing charges on… anyone? Idk, maybe write him a letter and ask.
If you want them to do something, give them enough power to by voting for them. They aren’t in control of any of the branches of government so wtf do you want them to do? If they act outside the law they are literally just like any of the rest of us and are just giving the Republicans ammunition to use against them.
Democrats aren’t in charge of the fucking federal Gestapo, so what exactly are you mad at them for?
be mad at the Nazis, not the fucking victims of Nazis.
They can’t prosecute criminals because that would be “political”
Imagine a political party that deposes and defames a former federal special counsel by condemning subpoenas for republican members of congress toll records and then crickets* when a democratic congresswoman’s home is invaded and searched. All while saying the former was partisan tactics due to the proximity of charges filed to the elections but again, not a peep about the latter.
It’s weird to me that so many people are still convinced there is a peaceful way out of fascism. There can be no peace while conservatives continue to infest our nation. They need to be completely removed before we will find any amount of peace. Conservatives are truly, deeply evil and cannot stop harming everyone around them. They must be forcibly stopped or they will only get worse.
Do you mean authoritarianism or fascism specifically? I mean look at Orban’s Hungary for a mostly non-violent way out.
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Who are you talking to? You’re making a fictional strawman then arguing against them. I agree with you mostly. Trump will never face a day of justice, and he’s not leaving office alive.
I typed this whole other response but lemmy didn’t save it for some reason…
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he’s not leaving office alive.
That sounds like a good first step.
Not by anyone else’s doing other than his own
Only because of the EU actually punishing Orban for democratic backsliding by withholding funds. It is also hard to do authoritarian things when part of a confederated organisation. Meanwhile, the US has a more centralised government and a single culture, so it regulatory capture is much easier for any authoritarian figures to sneak in.
This won’t stop me from voting in the upcoming midterms, but I’m of the opinion that the last presidential election was The Last Election, in that I mean the last one that could have mattered. People refused to vote against genocide at home because of genocide on the other side of the world (or so they said).
So yeah. Forceful removal of fascists is the only way forward left.
It’s weird to me that so many people are still convinced there is a peaceful way out of fascism.
It’s not a matter of conviction, it’s a matter of impotence. Fascists are mobilized, organized, and well-financed by their oligarch allies. Antifascists are untrained, scattered, and overwhelmingly working class or outright lumpen.
Conservatives are truly, deeply evil and cannot stop harming everyone around them. They must be forcibly stopped or they will only get worse.
Well, you seem like you’ve got the Will to Power. Get out there and get to it, then. Wave your sword around. Slay the dragon. It should be easy.
I may not be able to slay the entire dragon, but I can encourage my fellow antifascists to act.
Just because we act alone, it doesn’t mean we are alone in the fight. Whether a resistor’s taste is subtly lethal or violently overt, there are countless ways to resist fascism locally.
Conservatives are a wide-spread infestation. They are relatives. They are colleagues. They are neighbors. Be discrete. Be merciless. Be prolific.
Just because we act alone
That is a huge part of the problem.
It will take group action, not individual action* to fix what is wrong with the USA.
And sustained group action at that.
I wish I could see that happening, but there is simply no social media platform that will allow us to organize violent resistance against a violent enemy.
there is simply no social media platform that will allow us to organize
MLK didn’t need a social media platform.
Go talk to people in the real world.
On the one hand, Trump and co. are looking for excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act. It’s a delicate balance.
They’ve already doing the things that people are scared of.
Arbitrary detentions? Already happening
Shooting protesters in the street? Already happening.
Concentration camps? Already happening.
Tracking citizens movements and keeping records of political “enemies”? Already happening.
The only thing that isn’t happening is people rising up en masse against it.
It’s weird to me that so many people are still convinced there is a peaceful way out of fascism.
That’ll happen when you stop teaching people history.
Fascists love the poorly educated.
When then midterm is done, if the democrats win, the head of DHS (Markwayne Mullin) should be hauled in for contempt of Congress, then thrown in jail. Every agent involved should be put on a list of people unemployable in America and their contacts all investigated and any hint of foreign influence should turn this into treason and conspiracy charges for every last one. It seems we’re paying for a firing squad and money is tight, so let’s get our value out.
I get that this won’t happen, but if Democrats need to compromise, let’s start negotiations from this position.
Well, now that it’s been condemned, we should definitely see an apology forthright and a promise that it’ll never happen again!
You see…. this how we pretend things work in America. Becasue to speak plainly- it’s just easier to digest this than it is to accept that he’s allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants because there’s no one in the American govdmrt with the balls to stop him.
There has to be at least one furrowed brow among them.
Schumer’s glasses are hanging extra low.
Condem…… fucking start arresting people!
The people who would be doing the arresting are the ones committing the atrocities.
Keith Ellison’s the AG. Last I checked, he was a Progressive Dem.
Oh they’re really upset, very serious finger wagging. We might even get up to “sternly worded letter” levels of anger.
Then give them more power. They aren’t gonna act outside of what the law allows them to.
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Change takes time and we are moving in the wrong direction. You’re giving the “both sides” argument and I don’t buy it for a fucking minute. We didn’t have these aggressive ICE tactics under any Dem, we didn’t have wildly reduced NIH, medicare, and medicaid funding under Dems (including food inspection changes that are working against us). We didn’t have “woke is the cause of all things evil” under Dems (and DEI includes protections for disabled people). We didn’t have environmental regulations wiped out under Dems. We didn’t have our election integrity threatened under Dems… I could go on. All these things are incredibly important but because you buy into the “both sides” argument all you can see are the extremes.
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If you need any sign that the Democrats in power are just as bad, just as complicit, then take a look at their reaponse…
Nothing but words.
Half of the Democrats (the AIPAC Funded ones), were probably happy to see this raid conducted.
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U mad bro?
He’s probably frustrated by your lack of understanding of the civic system.
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It’s ironic that folks like you claim to be against the concept of “All talk no action” when you yourselves only ever vaguely allude to what it is you think the Democrats should be doing.
The children’s table is reserved for the adult children that complain loudly but don’t actually have any solutions.
If there’s something you think the Democrats should be doing, why don’t you just say it?
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I guess you’d spend the time detailing it since it’s literally your point to make. You made a top level comment on this post complaining about how the Democrats won’t do…something that you are unable to articulate, yet demand from them.
Continuing to be evasive by refusing to elaborate on your own opinion is not exactly helping you make whatever point it is you’re trying to make. Nor is calling other people children while you behave like the quintessential Reddit teenager.
They did use a lot of bold font in the letter. So there’s that.
Kiddo, you don’t even register on my day’s emotional scale.
But I will always take a moment from my day to post and point out anyone whose “advocacy” either calls for violence or instructs people to not support the Democrats, which are both positions that benefit the Nazis.
So congrats on helping the Nazis! I’m sure if your family still spoke with you, they’d be Proud (Boys) too.
“Honorable officer of ICE, I am deeply disturbed by your decision to hold a gun to my-” BANG
