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American free market advocates when the market is free:
Nothing is more of a hoax than the concept of the “American Free Market.”
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Freedom of speech.
Freedom of information.
The hoax that we have the best anything.
I could go on. Americans are massively deluded into thinking they’re special and our country is amazing because they’ve never set foot outside of it. Even our internet feed is radically tuned towards isolationism. We are slightly above the “communist” countries that so many people in the US decry for building great firewalls or cutting their people off from the outside world.
Anyone who’s ever traveled and opened up their youtube account in another country’s airport even would know just how limited our vision of the world really is, and how much our news and speech is controlled.
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God I fucking hate stealerships. If car dealer cartels in the US as a concept die as a result of this era of idiocy we’re in, that’s a pretty great silver lining.
We have one of the most car dependent societies in the world and also the highest car prices. Burn it down and deregulate.
Such a weird, American-only practice, like with American health insurance. The whole country is a scam, jeez.
It really is
I’ll take any silver lining, but I’m not sure if whatever replaced it will be any better given how the Chinese have acted in markets they’ve achieved majority stake in.
Tbh being able to purchase cars direct from the manufacturer would be dope. New car dealers are literally nothing but middlemen.
Yeah, useless middlemen are kinda a thing in the US economy.
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Hate middlemen all you want, but that employment level is the driving economic force behind the middle class. Get rid of the middleman, without any serious wage reforms, and you’ll have a nation of 5% filthy rich, and 95% dirt poor.
I really don’t think it’s that hard.
Other countries have figured it out and nationalized these various industries. The fun part is that there’s still luxury, concierge medical care and insurance too alongside nationalized health care.
I don’t drive, so I don’t buy cars. But I’m curious, how would that work to buy directly from the manufacturer as opposed to a dealership? Like I assume they would still have to have the equivalent of a dealership, where inventory is locally stored, can be test driven, can perform servicing. I assume that’s pretty much the same as a dealership right?
Tesla does this. They have showrooms to test drive cars and then you order it online or at the showroom and wait for delivery.
If you go to a us dealership, there’s pretty much always some sort of financing deal or somesuch. But there’s also very often a “dealer markup”. Never, ever pay that.
That said, for some cars, they refuse to budge on that. For instance, when the new Nissan Z came out a few years ago, the dealers tacked on like 10-15k pretty much across the board, and then Nissan corporate was surprised when it didn’t sell too well… because the dealerships got too fucking greedy.
If I needed to buy a new car, I’d vastly prefer to just spec it out online, click “order”, and then have a text come in when it arrives at my local Nissan or BMW or Hyundai maintenance facility (as appropriate for the car). I do not want to talk to a human and have to literally socially engineer them into giving me a fair fucking price. Jesus christ.
All dealers gouged all car buyers during Covid shortages. Jeep was particularly agregious and the world would be better without any Stellantis products.
Lmfao who wants to buy a
ChryslerStellantis product? They’re just… bad. They’re not even cheaper. They’re just worse, and break more.
Fully agree. I just don’t trust China any much more than the US to respect privacy and consumer choice. Color me prejudiced if you want, but I’ve dealt with enough Chinese suppliers to have a decent idea of how they operate.
I mean I don’t either, but us unitedstatesians are now subjected to the tender mercies of Palantir, which is kind of fucking awful… so, potato, potato.
Fair. At least the stated mission of the Chinese isn’t to be evil for evil’s sake. Palantir just seems like an accelerationist’s tool and nothing more.
At least for the last year, the only thing that has tempered Donald’s worst impulses is markets.
So in a way, these kinds of movements and deals are essential to international security.
“It’s bad for our industry, it’s bad for our country, it’s bad for consumers.”
I think they (accidentally, of course) left out the people that it’s worst for.
Once these guys are gone, where are the Better Business Bureaus gonna find smarmy guys in suits?
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I was confused too. This comment doesn’t look too bad but given it’s a 7 hour old account it made several multi-paragraph comments like this in a formulaic outrage-bait kinda way. This comment looks fine but the full comment history is pretty AI like
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Yeah, they’re part of the problem.
We need new instances with better moderation.
Don’t forget their political aspirations!!
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Un-american here. Does Canada have the same direct sales ban as the US? Same dealer lobby in both countries?
Tesla does not use dealerships in Canada or US. Dealerships and insurance agents, brokers , real estate agents are are redundant leeches on society.
Do you write for a living? You should write for a living. 👌
Was gonna say the same thing, evocative
And now a mod removed the comment?! 😔
It’s an AI bot
Huh, well, it made good points anyhow, I guess the one thing it’s decent at is fooling me every now and then lol
This community has an AI bot as a mod?
I really hope American car manufacturers go bankrupt. American cars are the worst. The rest of the world has better cars.
American manufacturers (GM, Tesla, Ford) only make up a minority of sales here. The majority of car sales are manufacturers from “the rest of the world.”
You can’t even buy a Toyota truck with a decent bed length though.
I miss the original small Toyota trucks. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-toyota-pickup-3/
How many US car manufacturer CEOs endorsed Trump? I’m betting a lot.
Good, maybe they’ll realize nobody wants cars being as complete as AAA video game titles… Aka overpriced shit that’s half assed with loads of issues.
I’m literally worried about buying a new car. It was bad enough when I did in 2019 getting a car with actual buttons and still half the basic features I have to tap a screen for. It’s never, never felt comfortable like my old Mazda3 2012 or Honda Civic 2003 did. I just want fucking buttons and knobs man. I also hate all of the “safety features”. Which are just essentially “feel safer while using your phone and driving” features that all the idiots on the road use them as. Everyone can see your lane assist correcting you every 5 seconds Debra! You’re gonna kill someone.
I must have made it just under the wire
My 2018 Honda Civic doesn’t have a touchscreen, all knobs and buttons, and the only safety features are things like airbags/traction control/ABS
What does the backup camera use for a screen?
Right?! Yeah don’t enforce safer driving practices or anything. Just make it easier to not pay attention.
I’ve always said phones should lock you out of almost every feature when motion/gps data shows movement. Then you have to put in a PIN to use your phone as a passenger. Like the Navi screen warnings of before “do not use while driving”. This way people can be held accountable for the dangerous shit they do.
What, you don’t want to update every week? Sure, some of them brick you, but… it’s worth it for the new icons right!!!
It’s called “continuous deployment”. It’s the latest term for not having the hassle of separating development and production.
Ah, the “American dream”. Competition. Sadly only if it is competition not just lobbying power.
I see we’re in the "find out’ stage of FAFO. Well all the other industries in the Us are imploding, we might as well do the auto industry too. You auto workers are welcome to pull up a stump in front of this nice flaming trashcan I am warming my hands to.
Good.
FAFO.
Xenpeng is the first car to actually copy what’s making tesla the best EVs.
Stay the fuck away from likes of BYD AND XIAOMI.
What did they do?
Why do you think Teslas are the best?
Xiaomi has a lot of issues with batteries and well… Handles. They’re prime reason for flush door handle ban. They’re also basically “overclocked” to reach spec sheet but are built schokingly poorly (people give Tesla crap for this, yet xiaomi gets a free pass?)
BYD is just behind. Tech is outdated, no remote Bluetooth 5.0 entry, no one pedal driving. Very aggressive safety measures which make the car more dangerous on the road. Not as efficient, I also found it to just lie to me on actual usage of its battery… It didn’t add up to what I used during my test drive and where the battery was for it to claim 3.9 kWH/mile
As to why tesla is the best? Nothing in UK currently compares to their cars from 2018. That’s just fact. No other car is as efficient and convenient. My 2021 model is still unbeatable when it comes to features. They have dropped the ball hard yet… Only until Xpeng did anyone start actually doing things Tesla drivers take for granted. I’m Scheduled for test drive and I will compare with my own two eyes as opposed to reading/watching biased reviews.
You can see comments and downvotes here alone, people here hate Tesla, that’s fine. I’m not buying another one from them either. But facts care not about feelings. They’re simply the gold standard we were told to… Ignore and not compare others to? Fuck that.
I could go on for what makes Tesla ahead, but I got a feeling you’re not asking in good faith.
Well Xiaomi also builds phones shittily. But I’m still continuing to use my Redmi.
That’s just fact
Not really suspension is dog shit & everything is computer.
Most people aren’t Tesla drivers though, my car gets me from A to B when taking public transit would be a pain. Bought a Nissan, smoother ride, all the features I want and physical buttons for everything I touch while driving.
You can see comments and downvotes here alone
Have you considered that it’s because you didn’t actually explain what you like about your Tesla in either your original post or here.
Sure people hate Tesla but your comments don’t give any details on what is good about Tesla, of the 3 EVs i regularly drive/ride in, it’s by far the worst, and one of them is just a pickup truck they put batteries in, but it’s still more comfortable than a Tesla.
It really doesn’t matter why Tesla is superior. “All computer” is not some sort of sin when the “computer” is good. And here lies the duplicity of talking about tesla. Anything that’s worse is “dog shit” and everything that’s leading, is “all computer” and all computer is now bad? Your phone is all computer and has 3 buttons?
No one is ever going to make good faith arguments. Air con in EVs is a lot better than ice, that’s just facts. Good air con is set and forget. So is your wheel position. But you’ll see comments only pointing out how lack of buttons is so bad! Because shit air con requires constant adjustment? I have set my car at 21 degrees. It’s now at 91k miles, I have not touched it because it does what I told it to? Same with wheel position and mirrors, why would I need to adjust them?
I’m not sure what nissan you have that the suspension is that much superior, I have only driven their leaf, didn’t blow me away but I have no other point of reference for Nissan EVs… Is taycan suspension better than model 3? Absolutely. But as a package. Tesla app and “computer” offers features actually used by human owners.
People automatically jump at conclusion I’m shilling tesla. If I did, I would’ve bought highland or juniper. But I haven’t, they’re step down in certain ways, suspension is better (and can be fitted to older models) but other things are a down grade vs pre 2024 model.
But we cannot have an honest conversion because 1. Tesla is apparently the worst 2. Tesla will kill you, car literary sets itself ablaze the moment you enter it and 3. Internet just told us to ignore it.
I test drive cars for fun. I live in a very car dealership heaven, I have driven A LOT of EVs and I’ve yet to find an replacement for my 2021 model 3. As soon as one comes? I’ll buy it. Tesla is on downwards spiral. But I won’t ignore real world experience just because Musk is a Nazi and their cars are no longer an improvement over their existing models. The sooner we collectively accept that, the sooner European brands will get their shit together and the likes of VW group stop selling shit that looks identical to my old 2016 Skoda.
all computer is now bad
Always has been, I don’t want to be fumbling around in settings when I’m driving,
I have set my car at 21 degrees. It’s now at 91k miles, I have not touched it because it does what I told it to
Cool story but do you have any friends or family that get in your car and want a different temperature, adjusting AC is a pretty common task for most people. If my dog is in my car i’ll lower it when he starts panting for example.
People automatically jump at conclusion I’m shilling tesla
I mean your saying shit like Tesla is objectively better because it is all computer, when that isn’t what most drivers want.
If you just said you like your Tesla and you like everything being computer, that would be one thing, but you’re insisting that’s it’s better because of the features most people hate but you like and are willing to sacrifice what most people consider more important (suspension & ease of use) so that you get that feature, then claiming all other EVs are worse as if nobody else has used a Tesla and we’re all lying about not liking it.
But we cannot have an honest conversion
If you can’t have a conversation with 1 person, that might be them, but if you can’t have an honest conversation with anyone, the problem is probably you.
You’re putting words in my mouth.
I didn’t say tesla is better because it’s all computer. There’s nothing but hostility coming from your comments, “cool story”, seriously dude? Back to 2009 are we?
I can have this conversation with people in real world, you mean to tell me Lemmy is good representation of public and public perception? If that’s the case. Tesla is already dead, we cured world hunger and trans people are no longer in danger, we did it Lemmy! This place is as much of a hive mind as is reddit or twitter. The same behavior just different opinion.
It’s hilarious that you think Tesla is a good brand.
How original. Where were you told to accept mediocre alternatives and PLEASE JUST DO NOT COMPARE OUR CARS TO THE BEST SELLING ONE.
Leave your emotions at the door and we might actually get some improvement and alternatives that aren’t made by fucking China. Right now used model 3 is the best EV anyone can buy. But hey, you go ahead and buy your Volvo or VW and make sure to thumbs up all the people telling you they’re the best!
