cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/36603369
Italy is sending a ship to accompany the Gaza-bound Global Sumud Flotilla, who said its activists remain shaken but determined following an Israeli attack on Wednesday morning.
Organisers of expedition, which is attempting to carry aid to the Gaza Strip, shared footage this morning appears to show an explosion that detonated on one of the flotilla’s vessels.
Late on Tuesday activists heard explosions and saw drones that targeted some of their boats, currently situated off Greece. “Multiple drones, unidentified objects dropped, communications jammed and explosions heard from a number of boats,” the Global Sumud Flotilla said.
“I have authorised the immediate intervention of the Navy’s frigate Fasan, which was sailing north of Crete and is heading towards the area,” Italian Defence Minister Guido Crosetto said in a statement.
This is the first time maybe in my lifetime that I’ve seen a real W for organized labor in Italy, I have to admit I had basically lost any hope. Italy used to have one of the most radical labor movements in Europe (we used to disappear industrialists ffs), but by the time I was born our unions had become neutered, bureaucratic and corrupt entities whose whose main output was bootstrapping the career of useless centrist politicians.
I am still almost in disbelief of how effective the Genoa dockworkers union was. They made an open threat: “if anything happens to a single boat in our flotilla we shut down Europe”, as soon as the first strikes on the flotilla happened in Tunis they called in a National strike, and they fucking pulled it off. Half the country’s services were shut down on Monday. Almost a million people were in the streets. If our very zionist government went so far as to send a warship to escort the flotilla it means the fuckers were actually rattled. They wouldn’t do this unless they seriously thought things could escalate in the country.
Labor organizing scares fascists, folks…
Shout out to the workers of Collettivo Autonomo Lavoratori Portuali (CALP) of Genoa for reigniting a tiny spark of hope in this godforsaken country. Solidarity forever. I’m trying to see if they have a strike fund that people can contribute to but I can’t find one, they are “calp_genova” on Insta and “CALPinfo” on Telegram.
Palestine is the compass. This struggle has elevated all others around the world.
It really separated the wheat from the chaff. Loved seeing all the Ukraine-flag NATO-loving western “leftists” getting their pants pulled down in front of the whole world. It gave us a landmark to orient ourselves, as we were totally lost in a sea of mud.
Italian labor’s work has somewhat seeped through the news over the past 2 years if you looked close enough. Though widely overlooked. Watching this develop and finally culminate in this incredible display was humbling and inspiring as hell. Power to you and the world should bow before your example. Nothing but love!
It also should signal to everyone: Our work mattered! These unions exist as continuation and through the sacrifices of millions of leftists over the decades. The 90s and early 00s may have felt like total defeat and like nothing ever mattered. That has been proven wrong. It did matter, it did leave a mark, it lives on in those dockworkers and it will transform the world again.
Solidarity to all the colleagues and comrades. Keep pushing, you will make the world follow.
Where are the people who keep telling me that China cannot do anything about a genocide that has become an international issue?
Yeah, it’s pretty clear that one of the biggest failings of China as a socialist project is their complete unwillingness to use their power for greater liberation movements in the world, beyond economic investment. Not that economic investment isn’t good, as it definitely is, but they could be doing so much more. In fact, China themselves did such things decades back, when they were in a much weaker position. Now that they are reaching global ascendancy, they still just focus on internal affairs. It’s a failure of international solidarity.
I think it’s possible that China thinks they need to hide their power level a little while longer before they fold the rest of the world into the cool zone.
This is the perpetual cope, but China shows no sign that this is what they’re doing. All of their long term plans are steady sailing ahead on the same path
It’s been interesting to see the general hexbear take on China develop more towards the way I view the PRC. I used to feel way out on a limb not being a terminally online Dengist, and it felt like any criticism no matter how constructive was shouted down in favour of a vulgar uncritical support (and leaning on the “perpetual cope”, great turn of phrase btw).
Personally I am happy to see this development in the political judgment of the user base.
Well I think it’s a bit of an overcorrection from other western leftist spaces where there are lots of chauvinists who say China has no socialist characteristics whatsoever and is an evil authoritarian capitalist tankie country. Those people are equally annoying and without nuance or investigation.
I think the problem here is just bandwagoning onto a side without proper investigation and research into what China is actually like. It’s neither the authoritarian boogeyman that the chauvinists claim, nor is the secret power-level hiding commie state that some users here have claimed. The boring truth is that it’s a very risk-averse revisionist socialist state that struck it rich and is dealing with the consequences of that. They have a history of being too gung-ho in their socialism early on and paying dearly for it with many missteps and blunders, so they have overcorrected to be as safe and boring as possible while still being considered socialists.
They have a history of being too gung-ho in their socialism early on and paying dearly for it with many missteps and blunders, so they have overcorrected to be as safe and boring as possible while still being considered socialists.
To be fair, Mao and company sometimes seemed to forget what the point of having a vanguard is and that can be directly connected to several of their greatest failures (Hundred Flowers, Four Pests, Red Guards), rather than being “too socialist,” because left-deviationism isn’t just being “too socialist”.
The general public in China does not care about these theoretical disputes about “left-deviation”. From their perspective, these blunders and tragedies were, in fact, from being “too socialist” which is why they moved away and to the right
Everyone pls read Wang Hui
Can also read the China 2020 issue of the Monthly Review
Links pls 🙏
I might be misremembering because it’s been a while since I looked into it, but isn’t it in China’s plan to turn internationalist again by 2049?
I’m personally skeptical of that, though it would be nice if it’s true. Just, the system shapes those who work in it, and a system that discourages this kind of international solidarity is going to reinforce those sentiments among the decision makers.
I think the most hope would be in a younger, more ideologically driven wing rising to take the reins, one that’s witnessed the consequences of China’s failure to act, and feel a drive to change things. With the current leadership I’m doubtful they’ll shift course.
Nations don’t “hide their power level” of being secretly more leftist. Not even people “hide their power level” of being secretly more leftist. This complete cope.
I was talking about military power lol, coz like obviously China openly calls itself Marxist and communist.
China still gives too much of a damn about the whole international law thing and trying to coax Taiwan into rejoining.
Honestly they should just declare war in Israel now
Italy is doing this in response to work on the ground by activists. Have you been organizing for Palestine in China? I’m not Chinese but I am from one of the countries directly responsible for the genocide and me and my comrades risk getting beaten, killed, doxxed, and/or arrested for Palestine.
As much as I would love for some government to step in and stop the genocide it feels like pretty naive to think that will happen without a mass movement of people on the ground demanding it from their own country.
I would like to think a socialist superpower wouldn’t need mass protests in the streets to do the bare minimum against fascism and apartheid. China hasn’t even broken economic ties with Israel.
I would say it is dishonest to say they have done the bare minimum, I feel the true complaint anyone has is that China hasn’t done what they themselves think they would do if they ran China. Everyone thinks they would escalate war with the US, NATO and Israel if they ran China and so since China isn’t escalating war they aren’t communist enough for people who very likely have never escalated any struggle with any oppressor force in their life at all.
A socialist state is no less beholden to the will of the masses than any other. The complaint here is that they maintain the same level of cooperation with Israel as they do with literally everyone else. It isn’t preferential treatment, and they supply weapons and defensive tools to Israel’s enemies while primarily selling Israel consumer products. Chinese people don’t care enough to fight to stop that, and so the government continues with the policy they have had with pretty much everyone for several decades. Is this disappointing? Sure. Is there any reason to expect anything differently, given the circumstances? Not really.
I see many non-Chinese people hoping China is going to save them and the world, and I would tell them they need to organize in their own place and time for the world they want to see. Glazing China online and not organizing is not much different than criticizing China online and not organizing.
To see a Chinese person criticizing their own country for not doing enough means there is organizing work to be done there as there is everywhere else, and if you only criticize from the sidelines then you aren’t really a principled communist, just a person who likes the idea of communism but wouldn’t work towards it. If you aren’t willing to take risk and struggle, it can hardly be expected of anyone else. I’m glad to hear updates from people’s experience around the world, but I don’t feel like it is too much to ask marxists on the marxist website who seem to care so much about theoretical economics and armchair grand strategy speculation to maybe follow the basic marxist principles of putting in the work of organizing for the things they want other people to get done for them.
China is in the beginning of socialist transition, and the process of building towards communism takes generations of struggle which we can expect would take centuries. A successful revolution doesn’t end the process of struggle within a society, it only guarantees more struggle will be required. Chinese people need to advocate for Palestine if they have a problem with their government’s position. Non-Chinese people need to advocate for Palestine if they have a problem with their own government’s positions. Sorry, posting online doesn’t count.
I would love a China that is emboldened enough to take risks because it knows it cannot be stopped in the way that the US does, but I’m under no illusion that China as it is would think that is something they can and should do. There are a lot of timelines that won’t be met by the time China feels emboldened enough to just do whatever they want. more people will die, more ecosystems will be irreversibly destroyed; even your idealized China isn’t going to be able to stop the ongoing or future atrocities happening even nearer to their country, yet alone any great distance away. When I see the dozens of countries directly enabling the genocide, I don’t think “China needs to do something about this,” I put the responsibility of the people of those nations, which most people criticizing China on this issue are a part of. Yes, it would be great if China can clean up the messes we make for us. It is easy to complain about how China isn’t doing enough to stop the genocide being done for us in our name with our tax money and stolen labor value.
If we assume China is run by an actually committed Communist Party, building socialism in one country is a policy that has been in place since Stalin, and many would argue that the USSR’s over extension in a lot of important liberation movements contributed greatly to its own downfall. That era of global scramble between communist backed groups versus western backed groups was a specific time and place, but if China doing whatever they can to protect their domestic priorities while protecting their overall strategy to fill any vacuum left by the US as soon as they can to continue to push the US towards collapse is their priority, it makes sense to do what they are doing at the pace they are doing it. China is wary of making bold moves, probably because it has the most heat on it from the west and it is dealing with nuclear nations run by religious fanatics who think the apocalypse is a one way ticket to eternal paradise. Maybe China wants to let the US make it’s horrific, violent, criminal acts so it can dig its own grave enough that they can join a chorus on the issue instead of taking the lead. Being a serious and committed communist party with a long term goal of building towards communism means prioritizing the odds of success, and eliminating risk. We all want to imagine ourselves as the cool revolutionary making harrowing decisions, killing the enemy or whatever great man fantasy larp but I think the hard part of the revolution is surviving after for the centuries required to build towards communism, and it seems very unsurprising that China is micromanaging the risk they take on in such a way in order to ensure their centuries long crawl towards communism continues.
I’m glad to hear updates from people’s experience around the world, but I don’t feel like it is too much to ask marxists on the marxist website who seem to care so much about theoretical economics and armchair grand strategy speculation to maybe follow the basic marxist principles of putting in the work of organizing for the things they want other people to get done for them.
While I agree with most of what you say. I will NEVER share anything here that I do/organize, maybe if I need donations, but even then it wont be directly stated to be “mine”. Just like I wont post my home address or social security number on here. For the sake of OPSEC (yes that is important, even in a “silly” shitposting forum) please do be careful.
Also I think its important for comrades to share their thoughts, so they can be refined and/or corrected.
I’m not saying anyone needs to report back on their work, I’m saying that often times many of the most vocal critics of China “from the left” don’t even organize and can hardly call themselves leftists if it’s just a theoretical concept and not a practice they are engaged in
Neither has any AES state(apart from Cuba but that was decades ago not in response to the latest phase of genocide), or Italy for that matter
DPRK has been consistently correct on the Israel question, and has materially supported Palestinian violent resistance in the past. China needs to purge their foreign policy leadership and learn from their “little brothers”
That’s a fair point, do you have some sources for further reading on them providing material assistance for Palestinian resistance?
It is really difficult to say what the ideologically deeply backwards DPRK would do if they weren’t in internationally-imposed isolation. It’s way more likely for a state to correctly say “fuck Israel” if Israel bribing them is off the table to begin with.
They are a historically progressive force, but I don’t think any country imitating them would be a particularly good thing compared to imitating Cuba, insofar as imitation can or should be done at all.
It is really difficult to say what the ideologically deeply backwards DPRK would do if they weren’t in internationally-imposed isolation. It’s way more likely for a state to correctly say “fuck Israel” if Israel bribing them is off the table to begin with.
Shut the fuck up lmao, they have been consistently correct and principled in their positions. They aren’t “deeply ideologically backwards” they are the most advanced on Earth. Nobody else is more correct than they are on foreign policy
Nobody else is more correct than they are on foreign policy
I don’t disagree, but it’s also easier for them than countries that have physical ties with the west who would have to take concrete action, whereas the DPRK can denounce them all they want immediate economic impact on their citizenry
They say aggressive things to imperialist states and nice things to socialist ones and colonial subjects. That set of conclusions is positive, but it also is difficult to call something like “principled” because who the fuck can they sell out to? The imperial apparatus has screwed them over personally maybe more than anyone else in the world that isn’t besieged in a hot war or Laos, and selling out to empire basically isn’t available to them short of dissolving their government or taking measures that would be literally begging to be invaded.
They are absolutely not the most ideologically advanced country on Earth because they were forced into broadly correct geopolitical positions. Ideologically, they are sub-revisionist and anti-democratic and shitlibs saying the latter does not make it false, they just don’t understand the specific nature of it. I’m begging you, tell me how the Supreme People’s Assembly is democratic, I would love to know. You can start by pointing to a non-unanimous vote anywhere in their history.
Cuba has an incomparably stronger claim to being the most ideologically advanced and it’s wild to me that you’d deny that.
What in the…NK has had the correct take since forever lol
On foreign policy? I mostly agree, though to my knowledge when the PRC had more actively harmful (rather than passively harmful) geopolitical positions, e.g. relating to Cambodia and Vietnam, the DPRK supported the former and was neutral-to-tepid on conflict with the latter when the PRC was nakedly in the wrong. It’s nothing like what we hear from them normally about “rabid dog” this and “despicable toady” that, despite the Khmer Rouge being one of the best examples of rabid dogs in the history of the modern world (after Israel and a few others).
Equating the economic and military situation of China to all the AES states is a bit dishonest. Most AES states are under economic siege, are developing industrial bases, and are in a much more precarious situation. China is entirely different at that point. They’re the strongest economy in the world lol.
Equating China with every world power who are doing as much if not less in support of Palestine is just as dishonest, if not more so imo
I obviously don’t know what they’re thinking, but this is how I see the situation: If China escalates with Israel the US and NATO will immediately declare war on China, it would be the perfect excuse, and its not super likely that anyone else would be prepared to join in their defense. Waiting for other countries to mobilize against Israel, and joining in only when its clearly a popular move, is better for China’s style of soft power than trying to lead the global south into direct conflict with Empire. Especially when the conflict is essentially inevitable as the truth about Palestine comes out and anti genocide sentiment turns into mobilization.
Like I said idk what China is thinking, but from my perspective waiting is the smart move even though I find it extremely distasteful.
Again, nobody is seriously asking for China to declare war on Israel (though that would be cool!)
Why can they not just cut off trade and investments and forbid Chinese companies and citizens from working with Israeli ones? Just some simple sanctions is all it would take to appease us, and presumably their own citizens who overwhelmingly do not approve of this genocide.
I don’t think a conflict over Palestine is inevitable. The 12-day war with Iran was inflection point where risk of war was at it’s peak. Since then, the resistance forces have weakened considerably and Israel is increasingly getting away with it. Iran had a short window to actually destroy the zionist entity and it balked, so now we are in a period of Zionist victory laps.
A future where Palestine is destroyed and Greater Israel metastasizes across West Asia seems more likely to me at this point than a global conflict over Palestine. If nations were willing to fight over Palestine, they would have done it by now. The only forces that were committed enough to actually fight over Palestine did so and were isolated and picked off one-by-one. Only the cowards and fence-sitters remain.
China has been a major voice against sanctions because they are usually leveraged against China and China’s allies. So advocating for such a thing will be used against them by their enemies.
Additionally, any such economic escalation can and likely would be taken as an opportunity for the US and co to immediately escalate more, creating a snowball effect which will get out of hand quickly.
It isn’t glamorous but these decisions have economic effects which can blowback against Chinese people and it isn’t surprising that the CPC is risk adverse
China has been a major voice against sanctions because they are usually leveraged against China and China’s allies. So advocating for such a thing will be used against them by their enemies.
Who cares, they are already under heavy sanctions and trade war anyway. Every nation on Earth who likes hearing from China that American unilateral sanctions are unfair would have no problem with sanctions against the rogue terrorist zionist entity. Who would actually be upset and turned away by this “hypocrisy own”? What pro-Israel and anti-America nation in the global south even exists?
Additionally, any such economic escalation can and likely would be taken as an opportunity for the US and co to immediately escalate more, creating a snowball effect which will get out of hand quickly.
China has already handled such escalations deftly and called Trump’s bluff on the trade wars, USA has no cards to play. They cannot sanction China without destroying their own economy.
It isn’t glamorous but these decisions have economic effects which can blowback against Chinese people and it isn’t surprising that the CPC is risk adverse
Risk-averse is underselling it. They are unprincipled cowards
As much as it might seem like someone high up in the largest political organization on earth should pitch “who cares about the way our enemies will use our decisions against us,” is it really all that surprising that it isn’t how things are playing out?
China seems like it wants to replace the US as the nation holding the standards of how nations interact, so they probably believe they need to be somewhat consistent in their messaging and actions.
They cannot sanction China without destroying their own economy.
This isn’t the only type of retaliation the US can do, and either way China wants to prevent any escalation because they know time is on their side.
They are unprincipled cowards
I would say people posting online are probably closer to unprincipled cowards than the communists running the largest nation on earth and prioritizing their own people’s welfare
I would say people posting online are probably closer to unprincipled cowards than the communists running the largest nation on earth and prioritizing their own people’s welfare
Hmmm you’re only posting online so therefore you’re incorrect. This shit is so bad faith and you know it
It’s not bad faith to criticize armchair theorists who don’t do shit but cry online about other people not being leftist enough. It’s fine to have criticism of China but acting like you are a better communist than any CPC member because they don’t follow your video game logic on geopolitics is sad. If the 100 million CPC members are revisionist cowards then most people here are anti communist larping as leftists because they have never done and will never do shit for anyone but themselves
What pro-Israel and anti-America nation in the global south even exists?
Mind you most political global south elites still believe in the “international law and order”, global south libs are still libs. Also China is still trying to win over the EU.
Yeah but libs are fine with hypocrisy if it’s in their interests. None of those global south libs would balk or blink an eye at sanctions against Israel.
The real insidious part of American sanctions are that they involve secondary sanctions. They don’t just go after their target, they go after anyone who trades with the target. China could do sanctions without any secondary sanctions and the global south wouldn’t mind at all since that’s the part that’s actually really oppressive to them.
Yeah because it/was still too costly to come out in support of palestine. South Africa was only opposed by its neighbours and the communist and it took until the 1990s for apartheid to fall. But the strength of israhell is wavering, because of the acts of the pro-Palestinian crowd and so the barrier for the global south libs to become more proactive is lowering.
A future where Palestine is destroyed and Greater Israel metastasizes across West Asia seems more likely to me at this point than a global conflict over Palestine.
I thought that before the Iran strikes. Nah Israhell will fall soon. If anything they are going to fight with the Saudis and/or Turkey eventually.
For me, the Iran strikes and quick ceasefire was what lead me to despair. If that wasn’t the moment to finally destroy this rot, then it will never come. Every day that passes the resistance gets weaker and Iran closer to color revolution.
The quick ceasefire happened because the Iranian state is so rotten it could have not formed a cohesive front to actually fight a war. The strikes on Tehran actually helped the anti-west faction immensely and reversed the soviet-unionization of the islamic republic, well if the anti-west faction takes the opportunity.
Its true that the fall of syria did destroy the axis of resistance (sans yemen), but iranian libs were well on their way to do that on their own.
The quick ceasefire happened because the Iranian state is so rotten it could have not formed a cohesive front to actually fight a war.
Well, they were our one realistic hope and so if this is the case then it’s pretty fucking grim
They werent. And honestly I wasnt expecting them to, because of that lib chauvinistic component. And in comparison to last year and the years before, the situation is much better, before that even most of the far left was enthralled by liberal zionism, today we have clarity of purpose.
If anything they are going to fight with the Saudis and/or Turkey eventually.
Maybe if they fuck around Syria too much Turkey might intervene. But the Saudi’s are the last people in the region Israel would have any reason to attack.
Why can they not just cut off trade and investments and forbid Chinese companies and citizens from working with Israeli ones? Just some simple sanctions is all it would take to appease us, and presumably their own citizens who overwhelmingly do not approve of this genocide.
In war, every blow has to be a killing blow. You fight to subdue your opponent, not to appease some sense of morality. Sanctions against the Zionist entity won’t do much since the US will simply foot the bill. There are also various infrastructural projects that China has with the Zionist entity. Those are bigger concerns than China trading consumer products with the Zionist entity. But even those can be resolved by Hamas et al shooting rockets at the workers and site every once in a while so that the projects are never actually finished. Bonus points is if China secretly hands over the plans to Hamas just like how Chinese ATGMs somehow find their way into Hamas’s hands.
China will never do something showy like send warships to accompany the flotilla. If China is going to do anything, it will be completely under the table through various intermediaries. Best case scenario, China will continue to waste everybody’s time with sternly worded letters and sternly worded speeches even as it supports the Axis of Resistance under the table. Worst case scenario, China will just waste everybody’s time with sternly worded letters and sternly worded speeches with nothing else to show for it. And the only way we’ll know what China actually did is through some memoir of a retired Axis of Resistance general. It will only be through that that China will finally get the fair praise and condemnation that it deserves.
Sanctions against the Zionist entity won’t do much since the US will simply foot the bill.
Carl Zha is that you?
By this logic Apartheid South Africa would never have been isolated and boycotted. Why bother with BDS or anything if America will just “foot the bill”? Oh yeah opposing a genocide is just “morality purity testing” right?
I don’t buy it, reeks of Liberal Zionism and convenient excuses.
By this logic Apartheid South Africa would never have been isolated and boycotted.
Apartheid South Africa fell through the combination of the Cuban military, the ANC willing to be less radical because the Soviet Union just fell, and the weakening of British imperialism that was its principle sponsor. It didn’t fall through some well-intentioned boycott. The boycott is libs predictably overhyping non-violent forms of resistance as usual just like how they reduced Acre beating Anez to “voting works.” And another point to consider is that the imperialists see the fall of Apartheid South Africa as a mistake that can’t be repeated. Musk repeatedly hammers this point for very obvious reasons.
What worked for Apartheid South Africa will not work for the Zionist entity.
Defeatism. This is the logic of scabs who cross the lines. fascist led Italy is actually doing more than China here! Why is this acceptable? Just because you aren’t guaranteed victory isn’t any reason not to try and chip in however you can. Yeah, Palestine Action on their own isn’t gonna stop the genocide either. These are drops in a bucket. Stop being a leak.
China did more by letting those Chinese ATGMs fall into the hands of Hamas than Italy did sending a single warship to escort the flotilla. Or do they not count because Xi didn’t personally hand those ATGMs over to Sinwar and post it on Instagram?
Hamas even posted it in one of their videos. Sadly, the person who broke down how the ATGM is Chinese got suspended (and he was one of those “Dengist China is revisionist” people so there’s no bias on his part), but there’s also the Wikipedia article on the HJ-8 which gives a shoutout to Hamas for deploying the ATGM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-8#Gaza_Strip
Why is there not more pressure from the Chinese masses on this subject? Obviously the broad sentiment is that Israel is committing war crimes and support for Palestine, but this doesn’t seem to materialize into any actual movement. Are people there not pissed at their government’s inaction and mocking its weak “condemnation” letters and UN-centric dead end diplomacy? It should be obvious how weak it makes China look internationally, doesn’t that bother the nationalists?
I came for the China struggle session and stayed for the DPRK struggle session.
We’re waiting till Italy(or any other state to do something) before we condemn China for not doing so
Sending this warship is cool and good and may enable(big may) a load of aid to get through, but lets not pretend its going to do anything to stop the genocide
AFAIK China doesn’t have a single internationalist bone left in its body. The USSR was pretty apathetic at this too compared to places like Cuba and China used to be better in the past.
China actually had a period of negative internationalism, actively hindering socialist projects abroad. During the 70s and 80s they financed and supported a lot of the anti-Soviet movements. That was part of why they were so rapidly accepted by the capitalist organs of the west, after the complete freeze before Nixon opened up.
So really, doing nothing is an improvement from their lowest, unfortunately.
Doesnt help that the USSR took heavy losses in the afghan war.
The USSR was not apathetic, though obviously they focused on supporting projects closer by. It wasn’t exclusive though, see their support of Cuba for example.
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I declare a moratorium on mocking Italians till further notice.
If need be mock the French instead.
I second this
In this case the Germans are the worst.
“Un ja! I eat da sausages!”
Ich esse die wurst weil ich bin die worst
Mann ist was man isst
Sorry, are you inviting me to Oktoberfest?
erst die Fressen, dann auch die Fressen
Ayyy I’m delivahin’ aid ovah heaaa
Technically this is mocking eye-talian Americans, to mock the boot-dwelling OGs we need something more like “mamma mia, we bringa da biga ship, justa lika mamma useda to sail”
I will eat pasta in their honor.
Ayyy I bring-ah da pizza pie to da victims or colonial violencia!
Maybe all we ever needed to do was to mock China until Xi has had enough and presses the button
Someone needs to call in Nick Mullen
What if Xi jinping was Chinese
What if Mao was Jewish and Bill Cosby?
The communism button, right?
The communism button, right?Nuking the hexbear servers would be the funniest bit of all time
Thank you to everyone who cared and supported our cause. Thank you to the steadfastness fleet that faces dangers for us. Thank you to everyone who helped and supported us. Thank you, my friends, for what you have given us ❤❤✌
Let this be a lesson to all the electoralism copers that mass working class militant action can push even a fascist Italian government to send a warship, a fucking warship, to protect an international contingent of civilians from the Wests darling settler colonial cancer on the Levant. It would be a shame for the bourgeois if people in other countries copied this…
What a development out of Italy! 
Wdym organizing gets results??? They should have just waited years to vooote.
But don’t you see organizing takes way too time and we just want to get back to brunch
That’s awesome. This must be a result of the huge protests that have been for Palestine in Italy recently and a demonstration of people power. Every country should be sending a ship as an escort, but this is a good start.
Every country should be bombing tel aviv until the genocide stops at this point tbh
I can’t believe Hamas is governing Italy
Honestly I don’t want to give too much credit considering who actually governs Italy, but still. Good to see one of these flotillas getting some support like this and I hope it becomes a trend.
Credit goes to the millions of people on strike in Italy, it would seem. If Meloni let Italians die at sea, you might have a full-blown uprising in Italy.
Power to the people
Apparently Spain is now also sending a military escort
i was expecting like a patrol boat or a minesweeper or something
that’s a pretty serious warship
It’s a FREMM, the standard frigate of the Italian and French navies. It just happened to be the closest one to the flotilla tho, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Yes and sadly when they approach territorial waters Italy’s gov will probably call it back.
no more half measures walter
no more half measures in the water
summoning Petro’s coalition of armies to defeat Israel into realityFinally some good news. It shows that direct action works, folks.
I wonder what’ll happen if Israel sinks it, USS liberty 2 or entering the global cool zone?
The fact they’re sending this ship in the first place tells me they won’t sit quietly if that happens; the USS liberty wasn’t sent in defiance to Israel.
Can Italy invoke Article 5 if Israel Liberty’s it?
in international waters yeah, maybe not in whatever
thinks 
territorial waters arebut also invoking nato against the zionist entity will never ever do anything
but also invoking nato against the zionist entity will never ever do anything
That’s exactly why we want it to happen. It breaks NATO.
If Article 5 is invoked, either the Zionist entity is destroyed, or NATO membership becomes worth less than the paper it’s on.
