cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/36603369
Italy is sending a ship to accompany the Gaza-bound Global Sumud Flotilla, who said its activists remain shaken but determined following an Israeli attack on Wednesday morning.
Organisers of expedition, which is attempting to carry aid to the Gaza Strip, shared footage this morning appears to show an explosion that detonated on one of the flotilla’s vessels.
Late on Tuesday activists heard explosions and saw drones that targeted some of their boats, currently situated off Greece. “Multiple drones, unidentified objects dropped, communications jammed and explosions heard from a number of boats,” the Global Sumud Flotilla said.
“I have authorised the immediate intervention of the Navy’s frigate Fasan, which was sailing north of Crete and is heading towards the area,” Italian Defence Minister Guido Crosetto said in a statement.
I think it’s possible that China thinks they need to hide their power level a little while longer before they fold the rest of the world into the cool zone.
This is the perpetual cope, but China shows no sign that this is what they’re doing. All of their long term plans are steady sailing ahead on the same path
It’s been interesting to see the general hexbear take on China develop more towards the way I view the PRC. I used to feel way out on a limb not being a terminally online Dengist, and it felt like any criticism no matter how constructive was shouted down in favour of a vulgar uncritical support (and leaning on the “perpetual cope”, great turn of phrase btw).
Personally I am happy to see this development in the political judgment of the user base.
Well I think it’s a bit of an overcorrection from other western leftist spaces where there are lots of chauvinists who say China has no socialist characteristics whatsoever and is an evil authoritarian capitalist tankie country. Those people are equally annoying and without nuance or investigation.
I think the problem here is just bandwagoning onto a side without proper investigation and research into what China is actually like. It’s neither the authoritarian boogeyman that the chauvinists claim, nor is the secret power-level hiding commie state that some users here have claimed. The boring truth is that it’s a very risk-averse revisionist socialist state that struck it rich and is dealing with the consequences of that. They have a history of being too gung-ho in their socialism early on and paying dearly for it with many missteps and blunders, so they have overcorrected to be as safe and boring as possible while still being considered socialists.
To be fair, Mao and company sometimes seemed to forget what the point of having a vanguard is and that can be directly connected to several of their greatest failures (Hundred Flowers, Four Pests, Red Guards), rather than being “too socialist,” because left-deviationism isn’t just being “too socialist”.
The general public in China does not care about these theoretical disputes about “left-deviation”. From their perspective, these blunders and tragedies were, in fact, from being “too socialist” which is why they moved away and to the right
Your narration was not “they say this” but “this is so”. Of course revisionists would use Mao’s failures to attack socialism in general, but that doesn’t mean we should uncritically repeat that framing.
No it literally was “they say this”. Reread the comment, I’m describing why China is the way it is (revisionist, right-leaning, averse to risks, averse to internationalism). It’s due to their history of doing the opposite and getting punished for it.
As-written, no it isn’t. If that’s what you meant, sure, I believe you, but as-written your phrasing states directly that they were “too gung-ho in their socialism” and the rest of the comment doesn’t reframe that statement to be “in their minds,” but is posed as a fact that has provoked them to react a certain way.
Everyone pls read Wang Hui
Can also read the China 2020 issue of the Monthly Review
Links pls 🙏
This book is the most immediately topical, but it’s 15 years old, now. Either way all of his writing is pretty damn dense: https://annas-archive.org/md5/f9a82cc453d6e346d4f361549cd5ebba
Here is the MR’s China 2020 issue: https://monthlyreview.org/9980072052020/ (edit: looks like the links might be broken on that page, but you can google the title and it will bring you back to the MR site).
Starting with JBF’s introuction to the issue is a decent start: https://monthlyreview.org/articles/china-2020-an-introduction/
https://monthlyreviewarchives.org/mr/issue/view/900
Archived versions here:
Maybe someone can mirror the pdf too
I might be misremembering because it’s been a while since I looked into it, but isn’t it in China’s plan to turn internationalist again by 2049?
I’m personally skeptical of that, though it would be nice if it’s true. Just, the system shapes those who work in it, and a system that discourages this kind of international solidarity is going to reinforce those sentiments among the decision makers.
I think the most hope would be in a younger, more ideologically driven wing rising to take the reins, one that’s witnessed the consequences of China’s failure to act, and feel a drive to change things. With the current leadership I’m doubtful they’ll shift course.
Nations don’t “hide their power level” of being secretly more leftist. Not even people “hide their power level” of being secretly more leftist. This complete cope.
I was talking about military power lol, coz like obviously China openly calls itself Marxist and communist.