Their Rule 4:
No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don’t question the statehood of Israel.
Europe@feddit.org removed my comment for de-tangling the conflation of antisemitism and anti-zionism. A dangerous conflation that is genuinely antisemitic and fuels antisemitic hate as it conflates the actions of Israel and Zionism to all Jewish people and Judaism.
This prioritization of the German definition, the adopted IHRA definition, is promoting antisemtitism and is diametrically opposed to the ‘No antisemitism’ aspect of the rule. The definition has been condemned by the writer of the definition, a multitude of human rights organizations including Human Rights Watch (HRW), American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), B’Tselem, Peace Now, and Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), and over 120 leading scholars of anti-semitism.
Germany Is Trying to Combat Antisemitism. Experts Warn a New Resolution May Do the Opposite
Fifteen Israeli nongovernmental organizations, including the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, B’Tselem and Peace Now, issued an open letter in September stating their concern that the resolution, especially the IHRA definition, could be weaponized to “silence public dissent.”
This could also affect Jewish voices speaking out for Palestinian rights and opposing the occupation, they added. “Paradoxically, the resolution may therefore undermine, not protect, the diversity of Jewish life in Germany,” the letter argued.
Rights groups urge UN not to adopt IHRA anti-Semitism definition
"The IHRA definition has often been used to wrongly label criticism of Israel as antisemitic, and thus chill and sometimes suppress, non-violent protest, activism and speech critical of Israel and/or Zionism, including in the US and Europe,” the letter said.
US-based Human Rights Watch (HRW), American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Israeli rights group B’Tselem, and the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) were among the signatories
The letter is the latest attempt by human rights advocates to urge the UN not to adopt the IHRA definition. In November, more than 120 scholars called on the world body to reject the definition, due to its “divisive and polarising” effect.
128 scholars ask UN not to adopt IHRA definition of anti-Semitism
In a statement published on Thursday, the 128 scholars, who include leading Jewish academics at Israeli, European, United Kingdom and United States universities, said the definition has been “hijacked” to protect the Israeli government from international criticism
Why the man who drafted the IHRA definition condemns its use
The drafter of what later became popularly known as the EUMC or IHRA definition of antisemitism,including its associated examples, was the U.S. attorney Kenneth S. Stern. However, in written evidence submitted to the US Congress last year, Stern charged that his original definition had been used for an entirely different purpose to that for which it had been designed. According to Stern it had originally been designed as a ”working definition” for the purpose of trying to standardise data collection about the incidence of antisemitic hate crime in different countries. It had never been intended that it be used as legal or regulatory device to curb academic or political free speech. Yet that is how it has now come to be used. In the same document Stern specifically condemns as inappropriate the use of the definition for such purposes, mentioning in particular the curbing of free speech in UK universities, and referencing Manchester and Bristol universities as examples. Here is what he writes:
The EUMC “working definition” was recently adopted in the United Kingdom, and applied to campus. An “Israel Apartheid Week” event was cancelled as violating the definition. A Holocaust survivor was required to change the title of a campus talk, and the university [Manchester] mandated it be recorded, after an Israeli diplomat [ambassador Regev] complained that the title violated the definition.[See here]. Perhaps most egregious, an off-campus group citing the definition called on a university to conduct an inquiry of a professor (who received her PhD from Columbia) for antisemitism, based on an article she had written years before. The university [Bristol] then conducted the inquiry. And while it ultimately found no basis to discipline the professor, the exercise itself was chilling and McCarthy-like. [square brackets added – GW]
It’s wild that, as Israel’s genocide becomes more publicly exposed and people/countries are distancing from Israel, Germany is doubling down on their relationship with Israel.
Clearly, de-nazification did not work as intended post WW2.
Old habits die hard for the Germans it seems. The EU deserves so much better from Germany here.
They learned the wrong lessons. They thought the issue was targeting Jews, and not the genocide part. So now they’ve moved to taking Arab lives, which they believe to be less valuable.
We have the most generous asylum and immigration laws, even just slightly restricting them is a deeply divisive topic in German politics. But sure we hate Arabs in general.
Calling an entire countries population racist is just a dumb statement that shows how little you know
Well when the far-right leadership were the main ones that hated Jews 80 years ago, it didn’t seem to stop that minority. So I don’t see how ‘not all Germans’ is supposed to be reassuring.
nah, the entire country isn’t racist.
just the people in charge, you bootlicker.
Reading comprehension. I don’t support my governments stance on Israel.
You’re right, I thought I was replying to the other guy. My bad, I should pay better attention.
German people are majority against it/dont care.
Its the government that does it. Plus isreal always plays the “REMEMBER THE NAZIS! YOU KILLED JEWS SO DO AS YOU’RE TOLD”
It was the same with the Jewish population 80 years ago, where it was mainly just the far right extremists and the government that hated Jews. How’d that work out?
Our government wants to buy Israels Arrow 3 missile defense to protect against Russia since the Ikraine invasion and because US support is shaky. I can imagine that stops any official statements against Israel, that and the wierd feeling of guild the older generations have (even though they were born after WW2).
Your last line is just moronic though.
If Germany stops working with the US and NATO to continually escalate, and stops backing the far-right extremists in Ukraine, they won’t need to buy weapons from Israeli fascists.
Your last line is just moronic though.
Why?
Because Germans are super sensitive about these issues. Hence why they go balls deep for Israel.
They act as if Germany only attempted to exterminate the jews in Eastern Europe so if they just make it right with Israel they will redeem themselves.
Current situation, really putting pressure on that approach.
With that being said, why all this focus on European jews… What about poles and belarusians? Is there some sort of pecking order here that only the jews count as “deserving” victims, the rest go what they deserved?
PTB, This reeks of pro-Zionist bias from the mods and blatant attempts to censor criticism of Israel.
Let’s remember. Judaism is a religious minority comprising many different people with many different views. Zionism is a political nationalist movement supported by specific people. They are not the same thing. For one, it is not supported by all Jewish people, nor are all of its supporters even Jewish. So if someone tells you that you’re being Antisemitic for criticizing Zionism or Israel, tell them to fuck off. It’s clear they aren’t acting in good faith, just like those dipshits arguing that Greta Thunberg is antisemitic.
For all the people saying it’s the instance trying to cover themselves, No. This is a mod account which is not an admin nor appears to be affiliated with the Admins. This is very clearly a person trying to frame criticism of Zionism as antisemitic to attempt to suppress criticism of Israel and their actions. PTB.
Nice catch. So this sounds like the same story as lemmy.world and Luigi. Idiot “mod” doing content censorship due to its own political bias…
I disagree. I see political comments from two of the mods all the time and they don’t take pro Zionist stances. One of the mods regularly bans people from slrpnk.net for being Zionists.
The mods and the admins are roughly affiliated though. A lot of us community mods are in the same matrix chat groups as the admins.
Note: I am not a Europe mod. I mod other groups on feddit.org though
“which does not an admin”
Words hard, apparently.
PTB. There is no reason to blindly adopt the IHRA definition.
The reason to blindly adopt is to ban antifascists from public discourse.
There is no reason to blindly adopt the IHRA definition
There’s no reason, unless you want your instance to be a safe place for the Jewish people
In what way is conflating zionism and judaism leading to “a safe space for the Jewish people”?
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
This is literally part of the IHRA definition, and I’m not the one doing it, but if you’ll look at the comment sections under a lot of Israel-related or Jewish-related news on there, you’ll quickly understand why people on Lemmy don’t want to accept the common definition of antisemitism…
Great. You picked the one reasonable bit from the definition. /s
Too bad the rest of the definition tries to equate judaism and antisemitism again.
if you’ll look at the comment sections under a lot of Israel-related or Jewish-related news on there, you’ll quickly understand why people on Lemmy don’t want to accept the common definition of antisemitism…
Would you mind pointing me to these comments and stating what you mean by “common definition of antisemitism”? I don’t really get it.
Would you mind pointing me to these comments
This is one of the first ones if you search “Jews” and sort by latest
https://lemmy.ml/comment/18546783 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/14356684 I would search more, but I’m pretty busy right now
what you mean by “common definition of antisemitism”?
By common definition I mean the IHRA definition, it’s the definition used by pretty much all Jewish institutions and in Jewish online spaces, and by some countries (Like Germany)
Sorry, I still don’t see the antisemitism.
The IHRA definition is severely flawed and basically only accepted by Germany. The Jerusalem declaration is the more in line with “common sense”.
Look at the comment above that one.
It claims that the genocide we’re seeing right now is one in a long line of genocides perpetrated by Jews and that this proves that Israel is genocidal not because of Zionism, but that Zionism exists because Jews have always been genocidal. That’s pretty blatant antisemitism.
It continues with “The Romans knew what to do.” They sacked Jerusalem and murdered or enslaved it’s inhabitants. This comment got 10 upvotes.
Where is antisemitism in the comment you linked?
I’m not seeing it, that person seems to be a Zionist troll and is labeling things which criticize Israel or zionism as a whole to be antisemitic.
There’s no reason, unless you want your instance to be a safe place for
the Jewish peopleZionistsFixed it for you.
Why do you think that Jews don’t deserve to have a home? Why does every other race and religion in the world get a home but Jews don’t?
Why do you think that Jews don’t deserve to have a home?
Because there is no need for one.
Why does every other race and religion in the world get a home but Jews don’t?
Do you think the people of each ethnicity looked at a map and said “Yup, that’s where we’re gonna settle”? Ethnicities (there are no human races) develop naturally within a region, for the most part at least. And why do religions need a home, let alone deserve one?
See, people here don’t appreciate Zionist apologia. Go back to Reddit idiot.
Say what now? Jewish people are perfectly safe. Apologists and supporters of Israel racism and genocide should expect their abhorrent views to be challenged.
Remember the attempted murders of suspected Palestinians in the US by Zionists?
3 months ago someone stabbed a Spanish Tourist near the Holocaust memorial in Berlin because they thought they ware a Jew.
Attacks on Jewish People, not Zionists are on the rise. And Israel is doing them no favors, not disputing that. But there is actual antisemitism out there, not just the “Challenging Zionists and Genociders” kind, but also the “Death to Jews” kind.
@fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com This does seem like some of that “both-sides” Zionist apologia crap
From a glance doesn’t seem to be. Anti-semitism, and anti-arab racism are unfortunately very common phenomenas; especially after october 7th.
If they used this to defend israel? Ban-worthy yeah. Seemingly though, they’re addressing anti-semitism directly.
Not a chance in hell I’m trying to defend Israel here.
It seemed like that’s what they were doing due to the context of the comment they were responding to, like they’re trying to both-sides the argument about the Israel genocide.
At no point did I argue about this genocide, merely about the notion that Jews are “perfectly safe”.
What the fuck are you even talking about? How is idiotic, moronic definition defending genocide actually related to that?
Jewish people are perfectly safe They aren’t. That moronic definition will not help, but pretending like nothing is happening is dumb.
Jewish people are perfectly safe They aren’t.
But they are, sweetie. It is Palestinians who are being butchered daily. Around 100 people every day, murdered by Israeli criminals.
Going nuh uh and conflating Israelis and Jews doesn’t help your case, buddy.
I am on feddit.org. I run a
subredditcommunity dedicated to the Middle East /c/nahost@feddit.org and post mostly the Palestinian perspective. I argue for the rights of Palestinians, against Zionism, against the German instrumentalization of the fight against Antisemitism for repression and the like all the time both in /c/europe@feddit.org and other communities.I never had any problems with the mods or admins and the claim they would be pro-Zionist is absurd.
That’s why I said the problem is the Mods of !europe@feddit.org, or rather an anonymous mod there who is acting out of their own biases for Zionism or against Zionist criticism. It’s not some attempt to stay legal in the eyes of the instance admins there or “gERmAn lAw” it’s personal and unprofessional mod conduct in the community.
“Rules are important! I’m a good boy, I follow the rules.” -German soldier in the 1940s
Germans for ya…
This seems like PTB for sure. I do not support what Israel is doing and it is without a doubt a genocide. I’ve had people gaslight me and say I’m antisemitic for believing Palestinians have the right to not be murdered and that Israel as a country probably shouldn’t exist. And you know what. Fuck those people. Fuck people who try to accuse others of being Antisemitic because they disagree and want to shut down your criticism. People like this need to be put in their place and confronted, not yielded to.
that Israel as a country probably shouldn’t exist.
Ok, then please explain what you think would happen with all the Jewish people that were born and live there in such a case?
And please be realistic, because everyone lives happily ever after is an extremely unlikely scenario.
I am not saying that you are antisemitic, but please think these things through before saying stuff that can very well be interpreted as such.
Same as the White South Africans, stay or leave.
I don’t think you’ve thought this through yourself.
I asked to be realistic. That ship has sailed in regards to Israel a long time ago.
Not once US support stops 🐸
Kinda like what happened with south afrika
The ANC is not comparable to Hamas or Hezbollah, and these kind of “funny” remarks about how there will be a free for all with Jewish lives “once the US support stops” is exactly why people consider such remarks as antisemitic.
I am sorry that you can’t see a multi cultural Palestinian state as a viable alternative to the genocide Israel
That’s a you problem. That’s what should have happened from the start but the Israeli project was always a genocide exercise. We just now finally got confirmation for it.
Also, the “antisemitism” is such tired bullshit tactic, let it go. Nobody is buying it. Israeli jews are doing a genocide. Get a clue
I don’t even disagree with you, but I find your suggestion to be extremely naive.
Once again South Africa shows how the world can bring down these hate regimes. It’s never too late.
If you’d said Irish rule had sailed a long time ago and consigned us to England, I’d have some words for you.
I suspect the last sentence violates German law. Equating Israel with Nazi Germany is illegal under German law as it is considered to downplay the Holocaust because the latter has killed several magnitudes more people than Israel. From a quick search, this has been confirmed at least once by a higher regional court where a cartoonist was fined one monthly income.
Advocating for a secular one-state solution has thus far never been considered illegal by any court. The IHRA definition is not German law and will likely never be.
Since the instance is hosted in Germany, comments must abide by German law even if you disagree with said law. The instance admins are personally liable if they do not remove potentially illegal comments so I don’t see why there is an issue.
You can create another Europe community on an instance which isn’t hosted in Germany where such comments are legal.
The law is an ass if you can’t even make a comment to clarify the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism. Why even host it in a country that has such restrictions?
You can make this statement, only the last sentence in the comment in question is at the very best in a legal gray area.
It is perfectly legal to be opposed to zionism, even in Germany. You may need to adjust your wording, since anti-zionism can and has been considered antisemitic if antisemetic rhetoric is repeated. The statement “All zionists are pigs” would be illegal for example since the Judensau is an antisemitic symbol.
And the servers are hosted where the administrators live (note: they are hosted in Austria, their laws are nearly identical to Germany though). It wouldn’t make much of a difference - German (& Austrian) admins can be prosecuted for any content accessible in Germany (or Austria), regardless of where the content hosted. Besides, it would only take a single court order to identify the admins, see Impressumspflicht.
The statement “All zionists are pigs” would be illegal for example since the Judensau is an antisemitic symbol.
How did you move from comparison of Israeli policies to these of Nazis to pigs?
As a comparison this is extremely daft. There are no antisemitic tropes here - being against Israel commiting genocide is a sign of humanity, not antisemitism.
Notice the
for example
The commenter didn’t say anything about pigs obviously. I was providing an example where antizionism would be considered antisemitism by German courts.
Now read my comment again.
As a comparison this is extremely daft. There are no antisemitic tropes here - being against Israel commiting genocide is a sign of humanity, not antisemitism.
German politicians and courts disagree, since supporting Israel is withing Germany’s national interest.
This has nothing to do with moral standing. It is merely the simplest way for the german government to disavow the Shoa while still pursuing it’s economical interest.
Supporting genocide is in Germany’s national interest now? 🙄
Yeah, kinda. At least the stated national interest.
I’m not a fan of it myself, but I’m not a big fan of states in general.
Equating Israel with Nazi Germany is illegal under German law as it is considered to downplay the Holocaust
Debatable. The comment doesn’t claim that the Shoa and Gaza are comparable. Just that sanctions are justified, just like in <insert horriple example>.
Also: apparently, it’s hosted in Austria.
It is not debatable. Equating Israelis to Nazis and equating genocide in Gaza to the holocaust are definitely illegal in Germany and Austria. You can criticize Israel all you want and be against the settler policies, just don’t call them nazis.
In most court cases it also depends on context too.
It’s debatable whether or not that comment actually is equating the genocide in Gaza to the Shoa.
The mods aren’t lawyers tho, so I can understand erring on the side of caution
You’re right, though I don’t know whether a court will see it the same. It could maybe be argued there is an implicit connection in the comment.
Also, Austria has similar enough laws. In mid 2024 someone was sentenced to 7 months on probation for equating zionists with nazis:
In that case Austria and Germany would also find Albert Einstein, Hannah Ardent, and many more to be antisemitic for their letter to the NYT
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
Maybe? Never did I argue about the morality of these laws. They exist and must be abided to avoid negative consequences.
Ensuring the existence of the instance has higher priority than free speech about Israel. As such I don’t see any issue on the admin’s side for removing potentially illegal comments.
Discussion about Israel’s genocide is still possible under German law. Just don’t mention nazis or the Holocaust and you are probably fine.
You are gonna talk about this issue how regime tells you to talk about it or you won’t talk about at all
Looks more like they’re trying to comply with local law.
Still protected under free speech. Feddit.org probably doesn’t get federal grants, which could get denied for “antisemitism”.
germanaustrian acceptable speech law too?We already went through this bullshit with lemmy.world and Luigi.
“The law” was used as pretext there and looks that’s what is happening here
Modlog is really good at keep them accountable though. So that’s a W for free speech enjoyers
This is another example content censorship IMHO
It amazing how these modding decisions always revolve around regime talking points. Makes ya wonder
i mean yeah, it is censorship. literally. most countries do not have a notion of free speech. if the instance breaks the law of the country it’s in then it can’t operate there anymore.
Can you pin point which law was broke?
If there is a law fine, but I have gone through this exercise several times and nobody can bring any receipts ever
So my conclusion that it ain’t about the law until I see something tangible.
i was not saying that a law is being broken. i was asking if there is such a law in austria, and saying that if that’s the case then the mods of the instance are just doing CYA policy. i am not against you here.
i am not a good german speaker, and i do not know their laws, but if any country would be quick to take israel’s side considering even recent history, it would be austria.
from a cursory google there are laws against “disparagement of religious doctrines”, which is article 188 of the austrian criminal code. there’s also talk about a law for quelling online hate speech which critics worried were being “passed through by way of a hot needle” and numerous articles on austria-israel relations, including one where either the chancellor for austria or the ambassador for israel says un a meeting that “antisemitism and antizionism are two sides of the same coin” (can’t find the article i read it at again).
this was not what i wanted to do just before going to bed.
Appreciate you doing basic googling
But how wpuld disparagement of religion laws apply here.
The original comment discusses israel as sovereign state committing crimes similar to Germany and south Africa.
I don’t see a religious angle in the comment.
Supposing that the mod is using the “german definition”, there is still the issue of hosting an incredibly popular instance. In online places where a huge influx of non-german users live, I’d argue that it should be treated like a public place where free speech is granted. How am i supposed to understand the cultural realities of Germany if I live thousands of miles away from it? Am I supposed to tone down my right to free speech just because they’ve treated their subjective experience as a universal law?
But I like that on Lemmy, I’m seeing diverse discussion on German/Austrian law. I don’t get to see that on other prominent platforms, which tend to favor wikipedia-type discourse that often ends with american pop history/culture inferences.
Anyone who is against Israeli statehood, reply to this comment so I can block you. (I am no fan of Netanyahu and am against the war, but it seems most of you dont give a shit about it.)
With honour.
Block me you whiny Zionist troll, you’re doing everyone a favor by using the Lemmy backend to disengage because you can’t do so yourself. Don’t expect the downvotes or callouts to stop though. This isn’t Reddit and blocking doesn’t prevent people from downvoting or calling out your shitty Zionist takes and making you look like an ass.
Edit: Lol you got your ass banned. Seems your Zionism finally caught up to you.
Block them, you antisemite:
Im all for Israel becoming a city state of Palestine.
We cool?
Why not two state solution or a binational state like Bosnia-Herzegowina?
Why not having one state with equal rights for everyone living there and right to return for all Palestinian refugees and their descendants?
Wouldn’t be Zionist enough for their taste.
oh please block me
Later. I will give it a couple hours for people who arent OP to reply and then you can have a position on the list.
But yes, I am aware or Betselem and I don’t deny the human rights violations of Israel. It just means that it needs a different government and needs to be held accountable for violations. But that doesn’t mean there should be no Israeli statehood. It just means Palestine needs to be also recognized as a state.
The main issue here is that Israel is an Apartheid Settler Colonialist State. The German law prevents even mentioning the reality of Israel as an Apartheid or as a Settler Colonialist Entity, both of which are critical to the understanding of the current situation and the resolution.
Controversially, the German government officially classifies the following as antisemitic: the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement, the accusation that Israel is committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, and the depiction of Israel as a colonial or settler-colonial entity. Many of those arrested and cancelled in Germany over allegations of antisemitism have been Jews critical of Israel’s policies.[4]
Due to the Settler Colonialism that have atomized the West Bank into hundreds of isolated Bantustans, it’s already a one-state reality. I’ll quote Avi Schlaim and Ilan Pappe below as they explain the situation quite comprehensivly.
An Apartheid State has no right to exist. This was the same for Apartheid South Africa. The state was abolished and replaced with one that has equal rights. It did not mean the expulsion of all Afrikaners, it meant the creation of a new state with the integration of equal rights and reparations for the oppressed. It’s the same situation with the current state of Israel, and the way forward also requires the right of return for all Palestinians.
Settlements and the One-State Reality
The reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate, before the mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet, Declassified Massacres of 1948, and Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward; while the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
"Its support – and this includes what is even called the ‘peace camp’ in Israel – for a two-state solution is an idea that says that you do not have to directly control every part of historical Palestine in order to establish your dominance and hegemony between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean. So, if you can squeeze the Palestinians into small Bantustans and allow them to have a flag and a semblance of a government, there are quite a few Israelis who do not mind at all, so long as this will be the last and final kind of settlement for the Palestine question. Which means no real political rights for the Palestinians, no right of return for the refugees, and keeping all Palestinians in different parts of historical Palestine, at best as second-rate citizens, at worst, as subjects in an apartheid state.
State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
Thanks for doing our instance a service 😊 Sorry you got scratched easily. Anyways, it’ll be pretty hard to block an entire instance. I wish you the best in it.
If Lemmy Instance block actually blocked all users of one instance, .ml would be the first to go for me.
I don’t have as many qualms with db0 users, but this is a deffo nope for me.
If Lemmy Instance block actually blocked all users of one instance, .ml would be the first to go for me.
I opened an issue on the lemmy issue tracker, it’ll be in 1.0/1.1. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5578
I don’t have as many qualms with db0 users, but this is a deffo nope for me.
You claimed we support Hamas. No, we don’t? No admins support them here (afaik, users too.). But what we hate more, is the IDF. They’re committing an unrestrained genocide, with the OK/backing of other countries. So far, in my couple of comments i’ve been accused twice (by feddit.org users, no less) of supporting Hamas. Really? I didn’t even bring them up before it. Conflating jews with israel/IDF and palestinians with hamas is wrong.
The what about hamas is so annoying… but also Hamas is technically only thing fighting for Palestinian cause in the world where Waffen-IDF is supplied by Amercians and Germans…
but nah… what about hamas 🤡
Also, under international law, occupied peoples have any and all means available to them to depose colonizers. Technically, Hamas did not even commit a crime in that context. You can’t except to colonize and genocide and then cry for sympathy when victims lash out.
Depends on what you said. I haven’t accused you of anything yet. However there are some users here who either play down Hamas or just use antisemitic dog whistles.
Hey I support both the existence of a Palestinian state and an Israeli one. Of course the Netanyahu government sucks and the killing and war crimes need to be stopped.
But I am not going to compromise on the statehood question.
Got it, so you support the occupation and Colonization of Palestine. Here’s an idea. If you think Israel needs to exist so badly, why not just give them Germany? If anything you owe them that, not some small arab country who didn’t have any part in the atrocities. That’s why people are against Israel, having your homeland taken from you by someone else to make a home for an ethic group that, arguably does not need their own country isn’t cool, it’s even less cool when they start killing your people, including women and children.
You’re not going to get any sympathy for this crap outside of Zionist-friendly spaces. Which I’m not going to help create and it doesn’t seem like anyone else here is going to help create either.
Fuck the IHRA definition of antisemitism and fuck the Zionists who prop it up.
since you asked so nicely, you can add me to the list. I’m not a fan of state in the first place, but I definitely don’t think imperialist ethno-states deserve it.
YDI. Feddit.org is based in Germany and has to adhere to German laws. Some of the stuff you say can land you a fine or in repeat cases even a short jail sentence in Germany.
Oh, well by all means,…
Free Palestine. Free Gaza, then.
Yeah I do support Palestinian statehood, but in a two state solution with the 1949 to 1967 border and no Israeli settlements in Palestine.
