Assuming Trump doesn’t make himself President for life, the Democrats should be drawing up plans to radically reverse all the damage he has done and be prepared to have the fascists from the criminal Trump administration arrested. They can’t be allowed to get away with what they’re doing.
This. It isn’t so much “both sides should be cheating,” it should be “cheaters are not allowed to play.”
The time to do that was 2020-2024, honestly. They had power. Now they’re having to fight the whole fucking thing uphill, and of course Trump is going to make himself president for life.
They should try to recover us to a democracy, IDK what the fuck the alternative would be. But the time to put Trump in custody was January 2021. Now we’ve got the exact same fight on our hands that that would have caused, but they get to be inside the castle shooting out.
they tried to use overt fascism as a threat against us to get us to accept another decade of neoliberal fascism. well jokes on them, we’re very stupid, those kinds of threats won’t work on us, we’ll pull that overt fascism lever, apparently
None of the neoliberals wanted to “use overt fascism” as a threat of anything. They just want to sit back and get paid, and don’t really care, most of their campaign materials (according to the super-experts in this comments section at least) are trying to imitate the fascists. None of their campaign materials or public statements even seemed to recognize that fascism was something at all dangerous in any way.
The thing of “oh isn’t it convenient that I have to vote for the non fascist if I don’t want fascism, well fuck you I think you’re trying to trick me” is a super popular and very effective propaganda thing designed to trick people into letting the fascists come to power, though. The overall pitch is to make it sound like “it is urgent not to let fascists come to power” is some kind of clever ruse, and can be discounted.
Arrested?
Let’s start with put to death.
You guys lost the presidency for a generation… You guys need to regroup and come up with a plan/message
I got a pen and a phone -Obama
We don’t need Congress
Does that mean you’re going to remove anyone from the party that doesn’t endorse popular progressive candidates? No? Then shut the fuck up, liar.
I don’t think they can remove people from the party either way. You call yourself a Democrat and you’re a Democrat whether they like it or not; the actual DNC only controls funding.
Someone should tell David Hogg
He was removed from his post due to a procedural error/loophole, but he wasn’t removed from the party. He can run in elections as a democrat if he wants to.
He was removed from his post due to a procedural error
Fucking what?? Absolutely not true.
I thought they weren’t playing by the rules anymore.
Welcome to Calvinball that the GOP has been playing for the past forty years. Glad you guys finally caught on…
Glad you guys finally caught on…
The voting members of the DNC woke up years ago…
But because the president can basically just seat a chair, their last two elections was 2017 and 2025.
They picked Ken Martin, a guy who spent a decade running Minnesota and turning it from a purple state into solid blue with some of the most progressive House members.
By all means criticize the party and the system over all…
But you have to understand it first, otherwise you’ll just keep getting manipulated
The more I understand the system the more I hate it.
This must be how Chrysler mechanics feel
I wish I could upvote you twice.
They picked Ken Martin, a guy who spent a decade running Minnesota and turning it from a purple state into solid blue with some of the most progressive House members.
The same Minnesota whose local democrats are now stiffing Omar Fateh?
Blue No Mat-oh god they actually care about the citizens wellbeing and not our shareholders? No don’t support them.
Ken Martin the guy who came out and said they would not not take bribes from ‘good’ billionaires?
Someone’s continuing to be manipulated alright.
The DNC is a fucking joke, center-right party that hasn’t given a fuck about anything except corporate money since 1990. See their lack of support for an actual leftist in the NYC Mayoral race
I’m just waiting on Chuck Schumer to put a stop to this with a strongly worded letter.
Saw Ken Klippenstein post that schumer hasn’t held an interview in over two months. Completely turtled up after the book tour fiasco.
His glasses must have completely fallen off of his nose and he’s stumbling around not knowing what to do.
Schmuck Schumer. He’s half the reason MAGA is in control.
Dems don’t have to lie, cheat, and steal like the MAGAs, they just have to play Hard Ball, and force them to follow the rules, and refuse to cooperate when they try to invent new rules that only benefit themselves. If it means that Dems spend most of their time in courts, then so be it.
This is great they finally want to fight back. I’m just gonna say it though kiss Democracy goodnight. We ain’t ever coming back from this.
They should have fought back decades ago when we still had a democracy to save. All this will do is save some power for them. We desperately need democratic reforms of all types.
It’s why I’m seriously exploring what it takes to move to the EU in the next year or so
What actions have been taken to fight back? These are just words and sound bites to stay in the news.
Like all the times the DNC completely fucks over primary candidates it doesn’t approve of?
These guys are not prepared for their destruction. They will just sit still and wait for ICE to come for them.
So, fuck the law altogether, then? This is not the “solution” people think it is.
When the rules get broken, there need to be consequences. You don’t just throw out the rules, instead. This is seriously the dumbest timeline.
The rules were thrown out during his first term. The dude has taken over our capital and armed them, and is now going to take over NYC, Chicago and a few others. This isn’t the time to go along, we have a corrupt SCOTUS as well. What do you suggest?
Defend the Constitution from all threats, both foreign and domestic. But that doesn’t have to mean “fighting fire with fire”.
Do not split and no cracks. You don’t have to agree with how they are fighting the system, but keep your thoughts private and instead, explain how your system is awesome.
But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.
And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.
If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.
I have no problem with protesters clashing with unlawfully deployed police. What I do have a problem with is the idea that, “if they can break the rules, then so can we”. That, I will criticize. Because that indicates that we are not on the same side anymore.
It’s not “if they can break the rules, then so can we." It’s “They’re taking over our country by deploying armed troops everywhere, ICE, a corrupt Scotus, EO’s that break the law and presidential immunity. There are no rules to be broken anymore. We must save our democracy or we’ll be sorry we didn’t.”
Following an unjust law is worse than disobeying a just law.
What, specifically, does it mean then?
When one party plays by a set of rules and the other doesn’t the rule-conforming party will necessarily be disadvantaged. Fighting fire with fire is the only way to meaningfully fight fascism, setting aside whether the Democratic establishment is even capable of that.
Going full fascist, in order to fight fascism isn’t going to defeat fascism.
Who said anything about going fascist?
Yeah, that’s not what that word means…
I agree with you, and your point is valid, but the larger context is that it probably doesn’t matter.
The U.S. has been fucked since… well, probably when it didn’t prosecute Nixon, but definitely since 2011.
Apologies for the WP link - I’m sure better people than I could have provided an archive link. It doesn’t present a paywall to me (or even an Adblock warning, which is interesting…)
Several nations have tried to restore democracy after populist strongmen. It was never the same.
Short of pushing all the way through and becoming something else entirely, I don’t see how the current system can be fixed. And I don’t have much faith that ‘something else entirely’ would wind up being better for the people of the U.S., given that its media and all of the leading political figures are in the pocket of the oligarchy, some of whom have already prepared to rewrite the U.S. constitution (the Koch’s) and are salivating at the opportunity to implement a government that is even less useful to the populous (read: even more friendly to their interests).
My point with sharing this is basically… well… despair. I guess my horrible, mediocre comment can be summed up as “The U.S. is fucked, so it might as well keep choosing the lesser of two evils. Sorry. 😕”
We need to codify the rules into actual laws & constitutional amendments before we go blind from eye-for-an-eye politics.
yeah. that way it can’t be broken like habeus corpos and due process!!! /s I have been thinking of some limits I would like to see. Like no more than one member can be in a constitutional position from a family where the set is bounded by who you can’t marry so first cousins. Once someone wins or is appointed office it locks out the relatives to do the same until they die/leave the position.
We don’t have rule of law. There’s no point in appealing to the rule of law when there is none.
No, it just means that Democrats will work in the letter of the law, not only its spirit. Laws as written and contort them to get what you need.
Ok about 25 years too late but it’s a start I guess
Oh, NOW they’re realizing this?
So do something already!!
What rules?
It’s time to bring a fucking AK to the knife fight.
