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daydrinkingchickadee@lemmy.ml to news@hexbear.netEnglish · 5 days ago

Evidence shows Obama orchestrated 2016 Russia probe narrative: Gabbard

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Evidence shows Obama orchestrated 2016 Russia probe narrative: Gabbard

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daydrinkingchickadee@lemmy.ml to news@hexbear.netEnglish · 5 days ago
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DNI Tulsi Gabbard claims newly released evidence proves former President Obama orchestrated the 2016 intelligence assessment to falsely link Trump to Russian interference for political purposes.
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  • christian [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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    The biggest reason I can’t picture this as a DNC-orchestrated conspiracy is that it would imply the democrats had actually considered the possibility that the 2016 general election might require more effort than going totally afk to enjoy a slam-dunk win.

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      The second paragraph alleges that Obama hatched the plot in January 2017.

      • christian [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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        You can try all you want but you will never teach me to open the articles before commenting.

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    they really are just gonna ignore the pied piper shit showing the dems rigging the election to help trump first

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      It blows my mind that nobody pays attention to that. Neither side of the uniparty want to use it as ammo

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    If you know any liberals who were complacency mongering about not prosecuting bush or trump for fear of “setting a precedent” now is the time seize them by the ears and rub their nose in it.

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      We can’t do that. It would undermine the legitimacy of the institutions! Instead, it must be the most important election in history until the end of history.

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    I dunno if I’m gonna be able to contain myself at the hilarity if there’s an Obama mugshot. I may really break down into joker-dancing hysterics at that point.

    • XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      me solidarity you

      hating obama so much it could induce madness

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Dems did the Russia Russia Russia side of new Red Scare while Republicans did the China China China side of the Red Scare . Also enacted a Lavender Scare and calls anyone who doesn’t bow down to Trump a fascist terrorsits that gets slammed in a concentration camp that may or not be inside the US.

    • Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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      trump and biden each campaigned on the other being too soft on china.

      same-picture

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    Does the Supreme Court ruling last year that presidents cannot commit crime while presidenting just mean this is ultimately a non-starter?

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      IIRC that was for “official duties” of the office of the president or somesuch, they could just argue that these weren’t official duties. Really the SC can just say whatever they want as an excuse.

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        Ostensibly yes, but I feel like the way the ruling was built—virtually anything they did, from taking a shit to ordering the hit on their grade school bully would fall under their “official duties” and you also weren’t allowed to use any communications from any of their staffers, etc. I just remember that it was basically a blanket immunity, once you factored in the burden of arguing the case.

        That said, of course they will apply a different standard/ignore whatever they want. I’m still thinking it won’t go farther than performative statements and social media, but they’re so whacky that it’s almost impossible to make proper predictions about anything.

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      Pretty much yeah. But the question arises, if the current president decides to arrest the former president for whatever bullshit reasons, who’s gonna stop him? Democratic norms? A sternly worded impeachment? MSNDNC talking heads saying "how dare you Sir! libbing-out "

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        Well I mean they can arrest him. But presumably they’ll still have to have a trial and his lawyers will point to the ruling. But who knows, maybe they will denaturalize him as a national security threat and deport him to Guantanamo as an enemy combatant and avoid due process altogether.

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          Honestly Obama does deserve to be sent to guantanamo. That would be poetic

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            Would be crazy funny to send bush and Obama to Guantanamo to hang with the 5 mentally ill dudes left from their GWOT years plus a bunch of Venezuelans and Haitians and such. I think they’d have a great time. Obama could teach them about playlist making and bush could start a new painting series…

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          Certainly a spicy possibility for the future. Personally I’m mostly hoping they just do some shitflinging, legal bickering, and continue the rest of the train wreck presidency not causing ww3.

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            Yeah would be nice not to have ww3/civil war2

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      they didn’t rule that that’s the case if you’re presidenting while black

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        True.

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      you know as well as I do that ruling has an unwritten IOKIYAR clause

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        Oh for sure. Besides they can just run it back up to the Supreme Court and most likely get what they want.

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    Unrelated but Tulsi’s grey streak reminds me of Rogue from X-Men and I can’t unsee it.

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      It looks dope af to be on such a ghoul

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        Isn’t she one of the relatively less ghoulish US politicians?

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          She is currently running cover for maybe the largest and most powerful pedophile ring in human history lol

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      Same lol

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    Is this really news, Obama was president and in charge of those organizations that did the probe.

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      The newsworthiness of this imo is mostly the fact that Gabbard/the Trump admin are saying it now.

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        Why? They’ve been saying it was the democrats. How is trump going back to the obama well different?

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          Specifically saying he’d imprison Obama, a former president, based on specific (rather flimsy) claims rather than the vague collective democrats is a substantial change, and I think justifies reporting it. Not like there aren’t way less important news stories out there.

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    trump-anguish RUSSIAR RUSSIAR RUSSIAR

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      Maybe obama-prism has access to some secret Epstein stuff so we can have a standoff

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    my-life-is-yours Trump! Make Obama and Biden beg, defend themselves in a tribunal, while an enormous crowd hoots and jeers at them, and my life is yours! (and [redacted] yourself afterward)

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    doggirl-thumbsup doggirl-lol catgirl-salute

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    No shit. I thought this was common knowledge?

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    It was definitely Hillary

    Why would Obama try to discredit himself ,it was actually Romney in the 2012 debate who would warn about the “dangers of Russia” while Obama downplayed it ,seems weird for Obama to you know blame himself

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