How deep are they willing to guzzle that Nazi boot?
Reading JL’s comments in this thread reminds me of this excellent quote
“A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now.”
So they’ve gone from “we don’t have a first amendment so shut up” to “we don’t have any ethics so shut up.” Cool.
we’re talking about quoting the guy who put slaves in secret cupboards and trapdoors under tables and shit right
what’s the name of this shitty movement that guy ended up founding anyway? why quote him?
Well duh, its the same group Jefferson fought.
Sadly, we have rules we must follow as well.
The rule in this case is a site-wide rule:
https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#1-attacks-on-people-or-groups
Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other people or groups of people. Just because you disagree with someone doesn’t give you the right to harass them. Discuss ideas and be critical of principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.
We do not tolerate serious threats or calls for violence.
Thank you for checking in, your attention is noticed and appreciated (really!). I will start by acknowledging my heavy snark. To address your point: Which group of people was seriously targeted by threats or calls to violence by the Benjamin Franklin quote?
I can’t say, as I wasn’t a part of the action. I’m at the hospital with my kid right now, but when I have time, I’ll dig further
A rule of thumb: message the top mod (first person on the mod list) when you have a problem.
Everybody else defers to them, and we tend to not override them, as moderator powers trickle down - meaning if you look at the list, the person at the top can remove all those under them.
If you see a top mod abusing their power, go to the instance home page, and on the right, you can see the admins. They have god tier power, and can right wrongs mods can’t.
We do not tolerate serious threats or calls for violence.
Are you saying that famous quotes are a serious threat or call for violence?
If the quote is a call to violence? I’d say yes.
First, not the mod who removed it.
Second, they weren’t quoting Jefferson to be quoting Jefferson, they were MANGLING Jefferson so they could make a call for violence.
The full quote:
https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/tree-liberty-quotation/
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”
Removed quote:
“The Tree of Liberty needs watered from the blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time. I fear we are there.”
Saying “I fear we are there” is a direct call to violence, it’s not in the OG quote and that’s why it got removed.
Saying “I fear we are there” is a direct call to violence
No it’s not.
it can be interpreted as such, I could say the same about those numbers people associate with Nazism
“The situation in the world is becoming so tense that I fear an outbreak of violence is inevitable.”
Now, was that a call to violence, or simply an observation on the state of things? Because what I said is essentially the same thing as the original comment.
The mod who removed it disagreed, I also disagree and would have removed it as well.
When ascertaining a threat, agencies use “immenence” as a primary marker. So saying something like “Hey, every now and then we need to guillotine these bastards.” Is fine.
Saying “Hey, every now and then we need to guillotine these bastards, how does Tuesday sound, does Tuesday work for you?” has a level of immenence that the first statement lacks.
The call to action is shedding blood, immediately. That’s removable.
Its kinda funny to me, its like you can talk about how shitting is necessary for humans to live but don’t you dare say you’re gonna go take a dump.
That’s not a call to violence though, feel free to shit all over the place if that’s your deal. :)
Yea, God forbid we make statements that would be unappealing to advertisers.
You do know there is nothing illegal in most countries about talking about violence, right? Like, that rule is not for any legitimate legal reason, it’s there to keep websites sanitary.
Why the fuck are you so afraid of calls to action?
We take potential threats seriously, even more so after the fertility clinic bomber was found to be a lemmy user.
I didn’t realize he was a lemmy user but when I saw his pic i told my boyfriend that the bomber looks just like what i figure most extreme lemmy posters look like
You’ve got final say, so w/e, but my read of it is more akin to “well, fuck. Guess we’re at war again.”
No agency on either side.
Did the removed quote use quotation marks to indicate where the quote ended and the personal thoughts of OP began?
Because there is a considerable difference in intent depending on where quotation marks are used.
Similarly, it’s the difference capitalization makes between “helping your uncle Jack off a horse” and bestiality.
No offense, but it feels like OPs comment was removed because you considered it bestiality / a call to violence, when it very likely was just a poor usage of grammar.
I pasted the removed quote from the modlog and added the quotes around it to make it clear I was quoting it, the original removed comment had no quote marks at all.
Thanks for the explanation. That is what I was thinking. His failure to use quotes is possibly no different than someone failing to capitalize the first letter of their uncle named jack.
Imo, this was far more likley a grammar error than an intentional alteration of the original Jefferson quote.
Like Abraham Lincoln said, those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves, and, under a just God, cannot long retain it. Of course that God being Jake Paul, Ohio rizz phantom tax.
Unless demanded by local legislation, that’s a clear PTB in my book.
So. You have a link about the usage of force by the dogs of some broligarchic junta. Clearly unnecessary, unless someone thinks people in wheelchair are such a violent threat that it demands such measures. The group was arrested mostly for “Crowding, Obstructing, and Incommoding” - i.e. some “quick, find some law that fits this situation, so we can get rid of those things! Heil Chrump!”.
Then you have a commenter (the_q) correctly pointing out shit won’t progress unless people actually fight back. And another (PancakesCantKillMe) clearly quoting something; I don’t even know (or care) who this Thomas Turbano guy is, but the second comment is clearly a quote.
So, let ask me the following: accordingly to the LW mods, is self-defence violence?
- If it is not, then those comments should not be removed as “advocating violence”.
- If it is, then they’re effectively promoting that people should lower themselves from human beings to punching bags of their local junta.
Don’t get me wrong - I don’t even think they’re doing this “intentionally”. I get LW mods are full of Good Intentions®, and for the sake of some idyllic vision of pacifism, where tyrants will magically stop being tyrants if you say them “tyranny bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR THE GOLD, KIND STRANGER!”. However Hell is full of good intentions.
.world sucks ass, it’s a reddit clone
There are a few news related subs on .world with shitty moderators, the rest of the instance is as chill as anywhere else. If you see .world mentioned here, it is probably the News community.
Lol says the “reddthat” user. Actually it’s a good instance name, but the irony …
Reddthat disables downvotes, so quite different from Reddit
Is it? There are plenty of subreddits who have taken downvotes out of their community. Badly, but they have. /r/CanadaPolitics will outright ban you if you ever admit to downvoting something in the community.
The removal of downvotes alone is not remotely sufficient evidence of being “quite different” from Reddit in that regard. Honestly it just reminds me of /r/Conservative and their flair system too. I don’t understand why downvotes are being banished.
Downvotes are still possible on Reddit, even if their impact is limited.
Reddthat doesn’t even have the button anymore
Which is a relatively minor mechanical difference.
Doesnt matter the instance. They’re all reddit like
Let’s agree to disagree! 😄
What a bunch of snowflakes.
Reddit basically removed downvotes as well since the EA comment. You still had the button, but it was inable to change the trend of the first few minutes.
I still regularly get downvoted on /r/RedditAlternatives, so it still seems to work
I wish i could find a better instance. :c
You can. This community is on a good instance.
…have you expended the slightest bit of effort to do that? Because there are plenty.
I’ve researched a few dozen.
Every time I dig deep there’s something unreconcialable I find in usually the community or the admins’ unfair moderation practices. Or it’s really small and weird and I don’t understand what it’s about.
.world is cringe and corporate feeling, like reddit, but the admins are more consistent than the smaller communities I’ve tried.
Sopuli.xyz might be a good option.
They are a medium sized general purpose instance based in Finland with good admins, a consistently updated Lemmy, and fast speeds.
Also @shadowplayer2@lemmy.world and @HalifaxJones@lemmy.world
I’ll check it out, thanks
Any controversies I should know about?
None that I’m aware of :D
Also just want to mention you can export your subscriptions, blocks, and saved posts/comments as a JSON file from your account settings page, and then import that file at your new instance in the same spot!
Please update here if you find one! The draw of lemmy (and fediverse in general) should be that if something like this happens we aren’t beholden to the instance and can switch, but unfortunately I share your experience with other instances 😔
that’s fair. I like sdf.org but I would, I chose it.
Im in the same boat :/
PTB
Time to post some quotes
Others I like:
Those who make peaceful protest impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
JFK
Riots are the voice of the unheard
MLK
Well ayy, you beat me to making a PTB post on this, but uh yeah…
.world?
collaborating with and covering for fascists?
People should move to other instances and mods of popular communities should migrate the communities as well.
happy cake day!
I get that they’re
US-based and have to follow US laws, but man, thats ironic.Edit: NL/Germany based https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
I thought they were in NL? Also, quoting Thomas Jefferson is not against the law in the USA.
Shoot, you’re right about the jurisdiction. That makes it even dumber. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
It can be construed as advocating for violence in this context. Since, ya know, it’s obvious who the tyrants are
I never knew where this quote came from, I have heard variants of it several times but never figured out the source until now.
And if you don’t know that, it is just a random sentence calling for violence.
Which I can understand the mod not being aware of.
Well, that wouldn’t violate any US laws even if they were.
I continue to maintain that the best individual policy is to instance-block .world and let the redditor hoi polloi who end up there self-select onto smaller and better instances as they wake up to what a crappy place the default is. If they aren’t capable of eventually waking up to that, then I don’t really want them in my feed, so .world is a good place for them to be contained.
What’s the legal standard in the Netherlands? Anyone know? Seems relevant here.
PTB. Like always for .world lol
