I was banned for supporting the right of people in eastern Ukraine for not wishing to be part of the state banning their language and doing g pogroms not just against Russians bot Jews and Roma people for 12 years prior to the Russian intervention.
Tanuki was banned just for posting a video of civilians being kidnapped off the street to be forced into a war they know is a lost cause.
If this is what you call Anarchism I am ashamed of you.
the posts in question:
moth finds it shocking that pro-Russian statists (one literally named Tankie) might not be welcome in an anarchist comm. moth definitely and sincerely hopes your highly rational and thinly veiled accusations of anti-semitism and racism go over better in this comm. please do not think moth is mocking you, you seem a very serious person.
I don’t bite[1], despite having “Tankie”
in my username.
I’m pro-Donbas and anti-NATO.
non-fascists ↩︎
Nothing I said was pro Russia, the people in Donbas had been fighting a Civil War and defending against progroms and shelling for 12 years before now.
And despite Tanuki’s username it is a fact people have been resisting kidnappings by the state because they do not want to be press ganged into this war that is clearly not going to end in their favor.
How is your “free state” free if it is entirely beholden to the US and the west?
How is it okay to use a Banderite slogan and talk about defending a state that forces people into conscription via kidnapping?
How is that acceptable in an anarchist forum?
then you agree that freedom also means not being forced to be a part of russia, yes?
“Freedom is when people do what I say they should do, not what they actively choose for themselves.” -moth, apparently
“Forced” is when you vote in a referendum and over 95% agrees on it. Dronies (including the ones who style themselves as “anarchists”) love to forget it was the state of Ukraine effectively outlawing the Russian language predominantly spoken by the people of Donbas and then persecuting them for identifying as Russian that sparked the separatist movement in eastern Ukraine in the first place. God forbid these people who are being targeted for being Russian might want to actually, you know, be part of Russia.
@Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net, don’t expect to get much or any support here, even though you are completely right. Not only is it the same instance as the one where you got banned, this comm is moderated by the same mod who banned you, and many of the users who would have recognized your correct take, including principled anarchists, have already been banned for being “tankies.”
freedom is being independent of a government. a strawman is what you just tried.
are you badjacketing moth? is moth incorrect in believing that is against the rules of both dbzer0 and hexbear? moth would like an apology.
What a ridiculous definition of freedom. It is very much something an ancap would say. You make statements like that and then say I’m badjacketing you? lol, you are openly donning that jacket of your own accord, and zipping it up nice and snug for all to see. Just because I made note of what you’re apparently choosing to wear doesn’t mean I’m the one who put it on you. (I will say though, that in my experience, it is always a specific kind of doofus who constantly refers to themselves in third person, though that’s beside the point).
the fuck kind of weird ass freedom are you imagining when you huff your own BO?
The definition ProleWiki told them probably.
moth does not believe you are as smart as you think you are.
why are you are refusing to use moth’s preferred pronouns? not only that, insulting moth for them as well? you are out of line.
c’mon dude you don’t have to stand on the table baring your entire ass like this, that’s setting aside people can only see your pronouns if they are viewing them from your instance.
moth supposes that “any” does not mean “insult”. moth is alarmed that you think it might, and questions whether you might have internalized biases against queer people. moth believes you can do better.
Someone who equates freedom with a lack of government is not in any position to judge the intelligence of others.
As for pronouns, now I know you’re just bad faith trolling. I am a nonbinary person, and I do respect people’s pronouns, even when they are people who are unwitting apologists for fascists. The trans/nonbinary community consensus draws a clear line between pronouns and self-referential speech patterns, and it is bad faith trolls (trying to use our respect for pronouns against us) who conflate the two. Pronouns are a linguistic stand-in for a person’s name when you’re not directly addressing them. Pronouns are not a title, they’re not a mark of respect on that person (even though pronouns should be respected). Referring to yourself in the third person is a speech pattern, not a pronoun. As many other trans and nonbinary people have said, self-referring in third person is a stylistic choice about how someone talks about themselves, not a request about how others should refer to them. So who is badjacketing who here?
Also it is typical trolling behavior to completely derail a thread with a tangential (bad faith) accusation, especially when they know they have no counter arguments in the actual discussion.
Left unity btw
… exactly what do you think it is that anarchists believe?
moth would argue with you, but moth doubts you will be around long enough to make it worthwhile, having said something so anathema to the ideals of this instance.
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I think self-determination is a more meaningful concept than freedom in this situation.
more practical at this current time, perhaps. but seeing as how both sides are conscripting everyone they can to fight this meaningless war started by old white men, moth struggles to see the meaning in it.
They voted to make their own state and the Ukrainian govt started slaughtering them. This is the issue with states you can’t really opt out without support from someone else. And yes Russia is a preferable alternative when the Kiev govt forces had literally been doing pogroms and shelling civilians for seeking independence.
The only one forcing them to seek help from Russia is the Ukrainian state. It is childish to believe yo can just opt out of your own government when they just try to murder you anyway.
in what world do you think “freedom for working class people” means being a part of ukraine? this is internalized propaganda that you are struggling with.
your avatar has the pride flag on it. how do you personally reconcile your belief that russia is better with the fact that russia has criminalized queerness?
also,
it feels good to be honest, no?
Have you looked at Ukraine?
Pride is banned there too please spare me using my identity as a shield to defend a Nazi controlled state.
Hey which state do the Nazis of Europe and America support? I’ll give you a hint, it’s not Ukraine.
how do you reconcile calling russia a preferable alternative considering the rampant white supremacy that is supported by the government? moth finds it hard to take your claims you are not pro-russian seriously when you have expressed explicit support for homophobic, transphobic nazis statists.
Despite being neoliberal and conservative, a crucial ideological component of the current Russian state is the historical memory of the Great Patriotic War, which forces them into the position of being anti-nazi, so neo-nazis and the most virulent white supremacists have to be cracked down on or else they’ll lose historical legitimacy
Meanwhile here is just a tiny selection of Ukrainian fascists and neo-nazis marching proudly in the open with full state support
One of these is obviously much, much worse than the other, and the people of the Donbas have made their choice as to which side of the border they’d like to be on
Russia hates Nazis so much they fund the Wagner Group.
moth is greatly bemused over your attempts to argue about which kind of nazis are worse. moth has no interest in joining that argument, however.
Russia is the preferable alternative for the ethnic Russians in Ukraine(17%) of its population pre-2014 and Russian first language speakers who made up a third
The new Ukrainian state after the US backed ‘euromaidan’ coup(in reaction to a pro-russian president winning an election over a pro-western one) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause
They banned the language from public education https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/en/2145-19
The post-coup Ukranian state renames streets after literal Nazi collaborators involved in the Holocaust https://www.timesofisrael.com/kiev-renames-major-street-to-honor-russian-nazi-collaborator/
They incorporated avowed neo-nazi, civilian slaughtering paramilitaries into their state military https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade#2014_incorporation_into_the_National_Guard
People have a right to self-determination and obvious reasons not to live in such a state
except that they do do that, and the state-sanctioned russia imperial movement, a neo-nazi monarchist group with ties to the russian government, has deployed militia to ukraine since 2014. moth surely knows you will be appalled to learn this.
No they don’t, what’s your source for them being 'state sanctioned?
Regardless nebulous ‘ties to the russian goverment’ is nowhere near the same as official incorporation into the national guard
ah, moth was wrong. it seems you are not apalled. moth regrets to inform you that, per @johnny_arson@hexbear.net, you are now a racist, antisemitic fascist. truly regrettable, but such is the reactionary life you lead, no?