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      "We’re sorry, your [x] has been disabled due to unapproved usage.

      Press any key to agree with the regime…"

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      my theory is they they aren’t “people”.

      they are mouthpieces of an institution. replaceable, and chosen for their bootlicking. if it wasn’t her, they would have chosen another puppet. same thing with CEOs, corporate goons, and most politicians.

      if they were honest and had actual beliefs they’ll have extraordinary resistance, if they even get a chance to speak.

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      When I look at her eyes in a photo or video, I see the kind of evil where as she squeezed the life out of a kitten she would not laugh, cry, or grit her teeth. She would just stare, then tilt her head like a curious alien or Labrador without blinking.

      Please note that I am a fan of both dogs and space, so I am sending zero insults their direction in that comparison. It’s like if I were to compare the number of times Trump shit his pants throughout his first term with the number of times my baby boy – born right after the inauguration – shit his pants over the same interval.

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        Iran’s actions seem to stem more from their close relationship with the east. Most western allied states de-escelated or gave up nuclear capabilities, such as Ukraine.

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          Ukraine did it under the promise that US will protect them.

          trump proved the world that relying on the US is a stupid ass idea and that nukes are more valuable than American promises

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            Counterpoint: Nukes are not providing Iran or North Korea any value. In fact it may very well be the justification for why they get wiped off the map.

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              North Korea has nukes and it never gets invaded and gets aid sent to it. Iran doesn’t have nukes and it is regularly attacked.

              I’d say their presence adds very clear value to the example country that actually has them.

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                North Korea is surrounded by allied China on one side and proper democracies on the other, but has come close to war many times such as when they bombed an inter-korean liaison office in 2020.

                I will repeat that the justification being used to attack Iran is Nuclear Weapons. It is not protecting them, it is the reason they are being attacked, and it also directly benefits hostile dictatorship Russia because they’re willing providers of nuclear weapons. Iran is being Grifted.

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                  You keep writing like they have them and thats why they are being attacked. Its specifically because they dont yet have them that they are being attacked. If they already had them like North Korea, their situation would be more similar. I doubt people would be bombing them, in the same way people aren’t bombing North Korea despite it acting very hostile and making direct threats.

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              counter counter point, no one dares wipe off North Korea,

              because US wiping north Korea means the end of LA.

              are you aware of MAD?

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                Does it sound like a manchild like Trump cares about MAD? We’re on the precipice of a forever war, world war 3, or possibly even total annihilation of life on earth and you’re sitting there saying everything is great because hyper aggressive nations have nukes.

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              Counterpoint: if it wasn’t nukes, there’d be some other justification. The alleged Iraqi WMD were never found, so basically we toppled their government (not that I’m exactly shedding tears over Saddam, but ISIS wasn’t great either), got a bunch of people killed, and blew two trillion dollars out of our ass for ???.

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                The alleged Iraqi WMD were never found but the CIA did present Aluminium tubes intel to congress at that time.

                To be clear, I am not saying Iran could have avoided being attacked or that they should appeal to the USA, far from it. What they need to do is disarm nuclear research and tech in return for the ability to hide behind other NATO members and the EU, as opposed to taking offers from Russia and China which assuredly will not end well.

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                  Nah, how about the US just stop finding excuses to throw away trillions of dollars getting people killed overseas for no reason.

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      I really hope all of the idiots supporting this shit are like 15 years old or something, because anyone who was alive when GW Bush went into Iraq has seen this shit before.

      People think we’re fucking untouchable… We’re in for a major wakeup call, especially given that our intelligence apparatus has been gutted by Trump.

      But it’s almost like that’s what they want so they can manufacturer consent for this bullshit war we have zero business being any part of.

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      Bullshit, some things happen on day one!!! Like the ending of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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    ‘Could’ vs ‘are’.

    They may not have been, but they could if they wanted to, supposedly.

    Now, if they didnt before, they certainly have the motivation and arguably the justification.

    I certainly wouldn’t blame them for seeking out nuclear weapons now.

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      There is no reason to be weeks away from an atomic bomb unless you’re interested in building a bomb. Tulsi was wrong about the timeline, but they were/are doing all the things a country interested in building a bomb would do.

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        Well, maybe if foreign countries would leave them the fuck alone to do things like control and develop their own infrastructure and natural resources; they wouldn’t require nuclear weapons just to get some peace and quiet.

        The last couple decades has proven that’s the only deterrent that actually works.

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          So were they going for nukes or not? Because your first comment seemed to claim they weren’t interested in nukes, but now you seem to claim they were justified in going for nukes this whole time.

          (For the audience, Iran has been interested in nukes since at least the 90s, but has been prevented from getting one by lots of outside actors.)

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            Yes, they have been seeking nukes since at lease the 90s, probably earlier, as around the 70s America on behalf of Britain orchestrated a coup and dismantled the countries progress, all so Britain could continue fucking Iran out of its oil and the profit they need to develop.

            As far as the present goes;

            I don’t know whether they were going for nukes specifically, or instead were developing civilian energy projects that produce/use the same if not very similar products; and that stockpile enabled them to pursue both.

            Honestly I didn’t care. While I generally don’t think ANYONE should have nukes, the US and Russia keep proving over and over again that that is the only deterrent you can actually rely on; so I can totally understand various nations drive to ensure they actually get some peace. If Iran feels they want/need nukes to keep themselves safe; well power to em, unfortunately they are correct.

            Leave them the fuck alone. Stop providing them with more and more reason to fucking despise the west and it’s allies; continually proving they HAVE to fight back to continue to exist. Continuing to attack isn’t turning them away from nukes, it’s hardening their resolve and proving further why nukes are necessary. Why do you think they felt it necessary to build a facility 200m under a damn mountain??

            Afraid they’re going to use their nukes offensively? Then stop giving them reasons to. Actually show some progress towards world peace instead of of just bombing everyone that has a slightly different world view.

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              “Death to America” does not constitute a slightly different world view. They are perfectly reasonable in their pursuit of nukes, and we’re perfectly reasonable in stopping them. When someone repeatedly says “we want to drop a nuke on people” you believe them and do what it takes to stop them.

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                Why are they saying ‘death to America’?

                Because America won’t leave them alone. America started this shit, and continues to retaliate over and over for it’s own fuck ups comming back to bite it.

                Obviously Iran is going to hate them and say things like ‘Death to America’ when America just wont stop giving them reasons to.

                Maybe if America can demonstrate proper restraint and just leave the country to it’s own afairs, truly show themselves to NOT be an enemy of Iran, perhaps even an ally given sufficient time to heal; Iran will no longer feel the need to defend themselves against an immanent threat, whether real or perceived.

                Bombing them sends the opposite message.

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                  So… Yes, but we still can’t allow them to have the ability to take out an entire city in one strike. Sucks, I know, but there are lines.

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          Did you know Iran is the country that supports Hamas, Hezbollah, the Hotuthis and a bunch of other terrorist organizations? Did you know Iran has made many official statements about wiping Israel off the map?

          Strange way to act if you want to be left alone.

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            Wouldn’t you hold a grudge after having your rapid progress towards technological and ideological growth completely derailed by a coup orchestrated by a foreign power that plunged your country into decades of chaotic religious fanaticism which suppresses freedom/human rights to this day?

            Especially when that foreign power continues to threaten your existence and expand into territory surrounding you?

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    Just like with Putin’s stooges, the grovelling and the self humiliation is the point.

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      i remember her trying to pander to the Bernie crowd after he “lost” the primaries in 2016. it was the first time I heard of her and some articles were treating it as if she was going to take Bernie’s torch.

      She was right when she was talking about Bernie’s healthcare and socialism liteish, but it was more of a broken clock

      so, she’s a complete grifter, trying to get ahead without any principles.

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        she’s a complete grifter politician, trying to get ahead without any principles.