Inexpensive fiber-optic drones are challenging Israel’s high-tech defenses, shifting the military balance in the Middle East.
A recent video showing an explosive-laden drone striking an Israeli Iron Dome battery couldn’t have been more symbolic: Israel’s famous air-defense system, which cost billions of euros, looked powerless against a small aircraft that cost a few hundred euros.
While the video’s authenticity has not yet been verified, experts believe it is genuine.
The footage was published about a week ago by Hezbollah, a Lebanon-based pro-Iranian militia, which Germany, the US and several Sunni Arab states have classified as a terrorist organization.
The drone strike, if genuine, would mark propaganda victory for Hezbollah and reveal a significant vulnerability in Israel’s military capabilities.
I mean, no shit.
The hubris in thinking that your limited-number missiles can’t be overwhelmed by sheer numbers ffs.
There is only one guarantee for Israeli security and that’s peace, deradicalization/dezionization (in the Matzpen sense, not in the ridiculous Yemelyanov sense), reparations, truth and reconciliation.
May all day in Israel be like this!
That looks like a very safe, cost effective and extremely sustainable way to live. Definitely a normal country.
Wait until you hear about the IDF Cum Extractor Unit: a totally normal military squad focused solely on jerking off dead men and racial purity. Very normal.
Dude, I don’t know if that’s a dig at the depravity that exists in the IDF, or if that’s real, but I wouldn’t put it past them. Fucking Gross.
No that’s a totally real and normal thing the chosen people do. How do you preserve the racial purity otherwise?
Uh
It seems that Iron Dome,like the Patriot, are desgned for the last war, not the current war. Asymmetric deployment of volumes of small&cheap units will overload these systems, or at least cost your opponent too much.
Even aganst peer weapons thay are onlyildly successful. In Ukraine the patriots have intercepted Kinzals,bit will never be able, nor cost effective against Oreshniks (as the split too early)
There is one very cost-effective way to combat cheap drones. Laser systems being developed and deployed now are the logical counter to cheap drone swarms. Those systems have per-shot costs far below even the cheapest of mass produced drones.
Doesn’t a reflective paint job counter your laser though?
No.
Nothing that chaff can’t defeat. Can’t shoot what you can’t see.
Depending on the wavelengths used for targeting, there are also other countermeasures.
In the Middle East, perhaps. In Ukraine or Russia you simply don’t have laser weather most of the time.
No. Just think about it. If these were only good for sunny weather, they wouldn’t be putting in the resources to develop them. Such a weapon would be useless if your enemy just has to wait for a cloudy day. You just use a wavelength that isn’t scattered by water molecules.
DEW weapons are always ‘just about to be deployed’ to change the situation.
It’s never as simple as generating a directed pulse (regardless of the wavelength) if you don’t acquire the target at range, and, environmental conditions are compatible with your weapon system.
I think it’ll get there, but would discourage anyone from believing it’s around the corner until we see shaheeds melting in the video feeds.
ooooor how about small arms strapped to the back of some trucks and a very basic radar to tell them all where about the drones are? It seems to work for Ukraine, small cheap drones call for cheap mobile units. No need to bring freakin lazers into this, rifle caliber rounds work just fine and are even cheaper then a lazer system. As an added bonus small arms on the back of trucks are super mobile and can go to the place the drones are attacking, unlike a lazer that is not very portable and oh yeah needs a lot of power to run it. For ships? Sure, makes some sense. For basic civilian infrastructure defense? Ehhhhhh seems really silly.
The iron dome being made for the last war is correct, however as in the “final” war not “previous” war. The reason they don’t work is here is that they (like patriot, etc.) are built to stop very big very pricey ordnance up to and including world changing strategic missiles. We have seen these systems do great work in places like Ukraine and in small attacks in the past (think of the propane bottle rocket attacks). The issue is that the design clearly did not anticipate the current style of warfare, where it is drastically higher volume and intensity then those small nuisance attacks in the past but also using the cheapest devices to wage a war of attrition. In some places you see a hybrid defense using small cheap arms (insert Vietnam’s solution) and these “final” war style air defense missile systems. These places are at least thinking about the current reality, unlike what we see in that video where it is likely that iron dome battery simply had 1 less interceptor then there were drones and had zero backup to the system.
Iron dome is designed for cheaper rockets like Qassams from Hezbollah. They are effective agaimst cheap rockets and loitering/flying drones. Iron Domebwas always designed to be more expensive than what it takes out so that citizens would stay aligned.
True, but not at the scale we are seeing. They don’t have enough interceptors to defend, and likely their opponents knew that this would play out this way. They simply can not out produce drones with those pricey interceptors.
People can count the number of launchers in a battery, and number of interceptors in a launcher. They can then take this information and send more cheap easy to produce drones vs the air defense systems. Once those systems are compromised they can strike with little opposition any target in the area that system covered, with little chance of the defenders being able to regain “missile/drone superiority” in that area. Its a wild thing to see but the iron dome concept on its own has a major flaw once the attacks come in cheap and heavy.
Very much agree. I think that volume in asymmetry will beat any defense, even the lazers.
I am no expert though.
Lazers are neat and could work well for ships or static facilities where the power systems can be defended and the area to defend is small. They don’t really have the same hard limits to overwhelm as more traditional systems, but who knows if other limits will be present like say number of targets they can engage at a time. Lets say its the case of 3 targets can be engaged at the same time and the time before impact gives the lazers 3 chances to eliminate (as they do need time on target for effect, its not quite starwars blasters), giving the system a limit of 9 per incoming volley. That would be easy to over come, but what if its not 3 but 300 and time allows 40 attempts? The systems could be fantastic, or a small speed bump.
But I love lasers! 🥰
Oh no, do you hear that Israel? The faint buzzing off in the distance? That’s the sound consequences make when they’re getting closer.
Oh my god I get to watch a smiting with my own eyes. The cycle is nearly complete!
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God has rules
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God’s rules have loopholes
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God gets angry
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Get smote, nerd!
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Ok, new rules!
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Return to step 1.
They will literally do it until the heat death of the universe or until they’re wiped out.
That’s the problem with religion.
In theory it’s quite good most religions tell you to be nice and kind to each other, the problem is if you break those rules nothing actually happens to you, no God comes down from the heavens and strikes you down with righteous lightning. In fact not only does nothing happen to you but the establishment set up to promote the religion now protects you from the consequences of you breaking the religions own rules.
Might as well just become an investment banker, at least they don’t pretend to have rules.
That’s a problem with religion lol
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How arrogant the Israeli leadership was to think it couldn’t happen to them when it’s been happening on the Ukrainian battlefield for a few years now. With Iranian-made drones no less.
I’ve noticed that the UAE, who lobbied hard for the war, are now telling Trump to take the L.
I wonder the Israeli leadership is also near that point. This is Netanyahu’s war, let him face the consequences for it.
Seriously, given how interconnected all these conflicts are, I’m convinced we are in WWIII,
No one said it has to have more deaths than the last one to be considered a world war
Israel’s genocide is actually a sideshow. The real war is the fossil fuel industry versus the survival of humanity. Economics is no longer on their side, so they are using force, bribery, subversion, surveillance, the kitchen sink. We need to completely destroy them and asset-strip them. That’ll end the oil sheikhs, Putin, the global astroturf anti-environmentalist movement, and a few assholes in Texas and Alberta too.
I’m convinced we are in WWIII,
the preamble perhaps. the conflict that sets the stage.
fml, the idea that putin/bibi/trump ally so closely in their desire to destroy their own countries, and xi is like: let’s make more terawatts of solar power and help cuba - the world is stranger and darker every day.
ebola may finally hit globally, thanks to stupid cuts at cdc/who/usaid
and then there’s taiwan… just sitting there, all tempting, and the US having expended tremendous amounts of our arsenal for the iranian folly… gee whiz…
I agree, it has yet to devolve into a full scale world war, but I wouldn’t be surprised if China makes a move on Taiwan by 2030.
China will conquer Taiwan from within, same as they vanquished America from the #1 world slot.
Propaganda, won’t even have to fire a shot.
China will conquer Taiwan from within
if they could ever do that, don’t you think they’d have done it already?
do you have any evidence to support the idea that taiwanese attitudes have changed?
Dude you’re totally right. If someone hasn’t done something yet, then they’re never ever going to do that.
Insightful.
it’s a genuine inquiry about your response - China has long desired to recapture their ‘lost’ island (never was theirs but set that aside) and continues to run all kinds of pressure campaigns from political interference in Taiwanese government to artillery attacks on the outlying islands to pressuring the vast majority of the world to ignore their existence.
Taiwan has shown incredible resilience over decades and decades.
Now, if Trump robs them of the support and legitimacy, throws them to the wolves, all bets are off. Perhaps Taipei sees the writing on the wall - but man, I don’t see that going well either. Hong Kong illustrated - there is no separate peace, you get china, you get chinese rule and it’s not light handed.
It’s a shit sandwich, and the US has made it all worse with the iran bullshit draining our magazines, fleet deployments, and most importantly, resolve to stand up for our allies.
I’d be amazed if they wait that long. It would give us a chance to rebuild stockpiles.
I don’t think Taipei is at risk tomorrow, but holy hell this is gonna be a fraught year…
I’m convinced we are in WWIII
I’ve heard people speculate that it’s more like WW5 or 6, depending on how you want to count global conflicts between superpowers.
But from the US perspective, we’re a far cry from the kind of Total War we engaged in during the 40s.
This war only feels existential if you’re on the receiving end.
It probably already has, tbh.
2.6 million russian kia, more wounded - Russian economists in russian economic forums in public made a claim of 600k dead russians per year of war
what’s wild are the killed vs injured ratios on the russian side… for years, they’ve just been leaving tremendous numbers to die on the field, and even when they’re recovered from the battle and recuperate, there’s no respite - they send the dumb bastards into the fight on crutches and torture anyone who objects.
That’s exaggerated. While real numbers are not known, Ukraine reports around 1,000 casualties per day but only around third or less of that are dead, others are injured.
Recently dead has been 2:1 over injured.
Ukrainians have counted around 1.4 mill - but Ukrainians don’t have precise numbers on the russians killed by their own commanders for refusing to fight or not paying enough money to their commanders. The 2.4 mill number comes from russian economists in public russian economic forums this year.
Any other sources than economist? Russia matters talks about 325000 killed soldiers (Russia Matters). BBC News with Mediazona estimates between 300000-400000 dead soldiers on Russian side (BBC News Youtube.
it is that, + Palestinians + Israelies + Iranians + Lebanense + Others
No that’s just russians. No other nationality in that count.
I mean, if we count this as a world war, we should add up all deaths
We should but I don’t have those numbers. I only have numbers for russians.
There havent been many deaths in those conflicts(comparatively). I think it only adds an extra 85k
But you can add the Africa conflicts in and Yemen and that boosts it up quite significantly.
There havent been many deaths in those conflicts(comparatively). I think it only adds an extra 85k
Putting aside (unintentionally?) calling the Palestinian genocide a “conflict”, the last reliable death count for Gaza alone was already 186k two years ago and the rate of extermination has only INCREASED since then.
85k for Gaza, West Bank, Israel, Iran, Lebanon, and other countries in the region combined is a RIDICULOUS undercount.
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We absolutely are and have been for a while. People will catch up to reality one day.
So who exactly is the allied vs axis
It’s Axis vs Axis this time.
Spy vs Spy.
Just because some of the belligerents are allied doesn’t make them Allied.
Enemy of my enemy… etc.
After getting away with genocide in Gaza and the assadination of Nassrallah, they got arrogant and thought Hizbollah was not for
Hell, it happened to Armenia, with Israeli-made drones.
to the surprise of no one
again ?
trump’s first thought…“They shoulda went widda gold dome”.
“They rake the forests, they can iron the dome.”
The footage was published about a week ago by Hezbollah, a Lebanon-based pro-Iranian militia, which Germany, the US and several Sunni Arab states have classified as a terrorist organization.
And where’s the parenthetical comma for Israel?
Israel, the arpartheid Jewish ethnostate, has been globally condemned for its violation of human rights and massive bombings with civilian casualties, is currently invading Lebannon in an effort to expand its territory.
Hezbollah is not a militia, it is a party (with a connected militia).
Also DW is the only german medium that is state funded
The difference is Hezbollah isn’t a country…
If the conflict was a couple rational countries, then making your distinction makes sense. But Iran and America’s governments are just as bad as Israel’s.
If you give a parenthetical for Israel you have to do it for America and Iran.
Hezbollah is the odd one out, because they don’t have soverign soil to be attacked, a pretty important difference
If your goal is informing your readers, the fact that Israel is invading Lebannon is easily as important as a comically detailed explanation of how terroristy Hezbollah is.
If your goal is sanctioning violence done by state actors–a common feature of corporate media–you´d do what they did here.
the fact that Israel is invading Lebannon
Is because Hezbollah is based there…
I’m defending Israel, this is a (not even rare) situation where every government (and non state militant organization) is a piece of shit their citizens would be better off without.
That shouldn’t be hard to understand, but there’s a weird amount of pro-Iran accounts the last couple months, and they just won’t understand it
Why does Hezbollah exist again? What force drove the Shi’a of southern Lebanon to band together and create Hezbollah?
The answer to that question proves the lie of your statements.
Is because Hezbollah is based there…
I’m defending Israel,
this is a (not even rare) situation where every government (and non state militant organization) is a piece of shit their citizens would be better off without.That shouldn’t be hard to understand,
but there’s a weird amount of pro-Iran accounts the last couple months, and they just won’t understand itJust in case no one else noticed it.
Equating a settler colonialist fascist state with a resistance group born out of resisting that ethnic cleansing is actually insane
I´m talking about the difference between journalism and propaganda; you don´t think it’s a little weird to come away from an article like this knowing Hezabollah is a terrorist organization according to Germany, the US, and several Sunni Arab states, but not that their country is currently being invaded with tanks?
No, because the article doesn’t acknowledge the state based designation placed upon their organization by those countries. You personally know it exists, but the writer doesn’t give the nations that imposed it that benefit of adding a reference to their decree.
Existence of an organization within a nation does not mean it is aligned with the state or subject to it unless that organization decides to align it’s objectives with the state, which currently Hezbollah is in it’s primary territory while also providing resources and support to likeminded allies beyond.
Most of those countries that throw around “terrorist” designations have groups on their own soil that they drop that title on. Depending on how the writer wanted to spin it they would either push the state narrative and call them “terrorists”, or acknowledge what groups often call themselves, “activists” or “militia” and reference what territory they are operating out of.
I’m honestly not sure what you’re saying. The article is doing exactly what you say it isn’t doing–given the state-based definition of “terrorist,” and I’m not assuming the reader personally knows anything.
I also don’t see that you are defending the omission of Israel’s invasion.
Beware of choosing arbitrary distinctions that support what you already believe. Here, I see people who support Israel make a distinction between state and non-state actors because it cloaks state violence and decontextualizes (and implicitly condemns as unjustified) non-state violence, while at the same time giving the reader LESS information and a skewed view–the opposite of the goal of true journalism.
For instance, I saw a great video on music theory and how some white supremacists in the West decided that contrapuntal harmony (or some shit) was the PINNACLE of intelligence. Why? Is it just a coincidence that Western Classical music does very well relative to other music in the world? Rhythmically, Indian music mops the floor with Bach. Obviously, a chauvinist Indian would pick whatever Indian music does uniquely well as the pinnacle of musical evolution.
“The footage was published about a week ago by Hezbollah, a Lebanon-based pro-Iranian militia, which Germany, the US and several Sunni Arab states have classified as a terrorist organization.”
It points out the players, their location, their actions, their purpose, and who’s using what spin to justify why what one side is doing to sway public opinion to justify their action.
“Terrorism” is a broad term that has lost its meaning. There are people and groups that use the power of violence and fear to try and influence public opinion and behavior for their own selfish gains or worldview, or revenge. Some are state sponsored, like ICE or the IDF, some exist outside state control but when push comes to shove end up being a useful tool for the state agenda, like Proud Boys storming the US Capitol or Hezbollah defending Lebanon. The job of journalism is to point out who, what, when, where, how, and why. Readers then make their own judgement calls about the validity and form their opinions about who is more just and if their actions in that conflict are acceptable.
Personally, I think any action taken by an individual that can and is willing to sacrifice their life in defense of another from a ideological or selfish motivated oppressor is noble, if the person defending does so trying to purely in defense of the ones incapable of defending themselves. The moment groups start dragging gods and politics into the purpose? Fuck ‘em all. By all means, kill one other for your gods but spare the rest of humanity who’s caught in between and just trying to live, maybe indulge in a bit of personal spirituality, the fallout of ideological hubris.
but not that their country
Non state organizations do not have their own country’s…
Hezbollah is based in Lebanon and Lebanon is being invaded, that is not the same as Hezbollah is being invaded.
Like, you’re mad at an explanation in the article but you obviously need the explanation…
It would be fair to mention that Israel is led by a wanted war criminal, if you are going to use language to demonise and delegitimise one side the other side should be treated in a balanced manner.
The fact that the war Israel is currently being led by a war criminal is important because it makes the reader question whether the decision to invade Lebanon is just as it is being done by a known and wanted war criminal.
It would be fair to mention that Israel is led by a wanted war criminal
So is America and Iran…
It’s not any different, if anything you should be arguing everyone involved is terrible.
Missing my point entirely. Good day.
Didnt lebanon elect hazbalah though?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Lebanese_general_election
Tldr:
They have 15 seats when 65 is needed for a majority.
Is it weird that a political party is openly aligned with a militant non state organization?
Yep.
But it still doesn’t mean Hezbollah is being invaded, or that they’re Lebanon’s government.
Lebanon is being invaded, and a large amount of them never signed up for this shit.
The squid, when threarened, emits a cloud of slimy black ink.
Right, none of them did, that is why Israel is engaging in war crimes.
none of them did,
I legitimately don’t know what you’re referring to…
that is why Israel is engaging in war crimes
They were doing war crimes before they attacked Lebanon
It feels like you understand “Israel bad” but none of the actual facts or details. That’s very dangerous because billionaires are gonna point you
You need to understand more than “Israel bad” that’s not enough.
very old news
You mean America’s Iron Dome.
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I’ve been wondering about this for a while, but what does it cost to maintain the iron dome when your batteries are depleted and the missiles are on backorder? It’s not like literally anyone else is fielding this equipment, so what happens when the only customer suddenly needs a tall order every week?
Under normal economic conditions, a tamir missile costs about $80k, and a shahed drone costs about $30k (and dropping). These are not normal conditions, and I expect that Israel is going to have spotty coverage in the coming years.
The worst part is that I’m sure Netanyahu and his ilk have priced all this in and agreed that the casualties and long-term dependence on foreign funding and ordnance is a fair trade for the additional territory. I really hope the Israeli people disagree.
Thats what America a is there for
I think that’s the point when they take it to the ‘negotiating table’ and try to keep what they’ve taken.
Having said that Israel has a large multilayered antiair defense that isn’t just iron dome. They have SPYDER, helos with the APKWS, and it’s own CIWS systems, plus they are rushing SMASH Hopper (AI driven improvised gun mount). Which isn’t to say your point is wrong, they will run out.
Also these last several years has turn people and their political leaders off Israel, which I mention as it just compounds the economics of this. Israel needs a functioning economy and foreign aid to sustain it, but has been turning off it’s partners. Although yes, the US seems to be an exception in this, mostly from a leader stand point.
They’re certainly making an impressive go of it, but I don’t see anything in their arsenal that’s going to survive sustained attacks.
SPYDER is so comically expensive that resisting long range drones will bankrupt the country, and automated turrets, while much better from a price per kill perspective, simply don’t have the range of other solutions (hundreds of meters at best rather than 40km of SPYDER or 5km of iron dome).
A better solution for the drones in the OP might be the new Rheinmetall platforms with airburst ammunition, but I’m not sure Israel can procure those in the numbers necessary to cover their defenses or infrastructure.
Rheinmetall platforms with airburst ammunition
There’s a reason you might not want to be firing shrapnel explosives over the heads of your own citizens.
But hey, it’s Israel. Maybe they don’t give a shit.
rheinmetall sell to anyone who has the money all the years germany was claiming it wouldn’t sell arms to saudi arabia rheinmetall was selling to them even building munitions factories in saudi arabia
That doesn’t mean there are not lead times.
what does it cost to maintain the iron dome when your batteries are depleted and the missiles are on backorder?
Iron Dome is specifically for short range rockets and mortars. David’s Sling is intended to defend against ballistic missiles like those used by Iran. The Arrow System is intended to counter ICBMs as part of a constellation of US based anti-ballistic systems. I’m not sure that last one has been used in more than test shots
I did see footage of a drone attacking an Iron Dome site. Looked legit for what it’s worth. Literally flew right up to it. Unfortunately no footage of the aftermath from what I saw. Must have been quite the explosion though. Anyway, this is hopeful news. Let’s hope they keep this up and force Israel to back the fuck off.
Literally flew right up to it
Because you don’t see the 99.99% that were stopped at the defenses, that’s why a “swarm attack” would be so devastating.
It’s basically the attack scene from Zion in The Matrix. A steady flow of (relatively) inexpensive attack drones. Most will fail, for a very very long time nothing gets thru. But eventually one slips thru or defenses need to reload, but one slips thru and hits something.
If it hits something important, it’s now easier for every single one to get thru.
This was likely just proof of concept.
Send a wave out, aim at something random, and don’t stop till one gets thru. That is invaluable Intel for when/where to aim a swarm attack. They don’t need to breach everywhere, just one small section bearing insurmountable odds.
It would turn Iran into a super power on the world stage
Based on Ukraine, I think the have about a 40% success rate IIRC. If they get to the target it’s obviously far higher. Armored vehicles may be able to shrug off a fair number of hits though, but they just take one (Un)lucky hit to be taken out. Usually they can get a mobility kill pretty quickly, and then pound it until it explodes or catches fire.
Let’s hope they keep this up and force Israel to back the fuck off.
I don’t see the same connection here that you do. A failure of Israel’s defensive weapons would require them to go on the offensive. The status quo from before the October 7 attacks was tolerable to Israel because they could shoot down incoming threats but if they no longer can, they must neutralize the ability of their enemies to launch those threats.
It’s impressive that it’s not already considered being “on the offensive” to invade and bomb multiple neighbouring countries, as well as actions like boarding boats in international waters and imprisoning the occupants.
Not to mention the rape.
I didn’t say that Israel is not on the offensive right now - it is. My point is that if the Iron Dome system is indeed compromised, that’s going to put pressure on Israel to stay on the offensive rather than to back down.
The iron working mean israel can stay on the offensive with no impunity
Israel cannot sustain a war againt a country like Iran without someone else doing the fighting.
It’s the impunity I hope they lose
I don’t know why you would assume that they would go further on the offensive.
All studies, publications, and reports show that if Israel didn’t have protection from retaliation, that they would be opposed to offensive operations if they experienced even a fraction of the horrors that they commit on others.
https://jewishcurrents.org/iron-dome-is-not-a-defensive-system
https://www.amacad.org/publication/daedalus/new-technologies-strategic-stability
Israel always wanted to be in perpetual conflict to continue it’s expansion. Conflict means the need to have superior firepower and defensive capabilities which help continue perpetrating it’s genocide unabated - it’s what Bibi pushed for these many decades.
https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
But if you take away the superior defensive capabilities and the risk of continued aggression (which is why there was opposition to funding the Iron Dome in the US) then Israel would think twice about it’s expansionist policies.
A failure of Israel’s defensive weapons would require them to go on the offensive.
Yes, but it will also require them to use alternative forces on defence, and it will also induce many Israelis to leave. This will create financial and manpower shortages. This might induce even more depraved behaviour in the short term, but I guess that’s a risk Iran & Co. are willing to take to ensure long-term peace.
A failure of Israel’s defensive weapons would require them to go on the offensive.
According to themselves, a day ending in y would require them to go on the offensive.
This is all a conflict of choice for them and the US and, if damage to the dome has any effect on them (which it probably won’t, since they’re so far gone down the colonialism genocide spiral), it would be to make them more cautious due to their own people being more vulnerable to consequences of their state terrorism.
The whole reason they’re invading Lebanon is because their defence isn’t infallible. Sitting back intercepting cheap missiles and mortars, waiting for the next ‘big one’ every once in a while would also come at a tremendous cost
No, you’re still bying their “self defense” narrative.
They’re invading Lebanon for the same reason invasions ever happen: in order to own or at least control land that belongs to another country.
There’s exactly one way that they could be safe from attacks from Lebanon: by stopping the occupation of and slaughter in Palestine.
More than half the population of Lebanon are Palestinians driven from their homes by Israel two generations back at most, and that’s what created Hezbollah.
Not Iran. Not antisemitism. Not spontaneous evil.
Hezbollah was caused by the same thing as most radical paramilitary groups: desperation and fury in the face of seemingly untouchable tormentors.
I’m not saying that they’d immediately disband the moment the occupation and genocide end, but it sure as hell would make the radicalization needed for recruitment harder to accomplish, especially as time goes on with no fresh atrocities.
Hezbollah has the same motivations that made Hamas reject a two state solution: they want the entire territory of Palestine under islamic rule. That’s their idea of “ending the occupation”. It’s part of their religious prophecy and they’re never going to betray their religion in a tradeoff for a peaceful solution
Hezbollah has the same motivations that made Hamas reject a two state solution
Yes, survival.
The fabled “two state solution” is a fig leaf, and a very bad one at that.
If you think that being a separate nation or even a separate but nearby nation that isn’t in any way hostile towards Israel will keep you safe from the IOF, I have a Pastafarian church in Damascus to sell you.
Hezbollah knows perfectly well they could choose the same path as Egypt and Jordan: don’t try to destroy Israel, don’t get attacked by the ‘iof’.
But then again, that would go against their entire raison d’être. They believe fighting Israel is their ticket to heaven, which they find more important than anything
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Yeah, fuck those “news” sites that don’t even let you see the damn news. I was in the same position and did some searching and found the video: https://www/ (dot) mediaspecial (dot) org/sound/files/video/asf/2026/ope246.mp4
I found this video link on Hezbollah’s official website, and the website the video’s hosted on seems to be affiliated with Hezbollah. If you live in a Western country, or any country that considers Hezbollah to be a “terrorist” organisation, I recommend opening the link in the Tor Browser.
Here are some screenshots:
As an aside, who’s logo is that in the bottom left? It’s rad.
That’s the logo Hezbollah uses specifically for military videos.
Every time
Found the video, see my comment at https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/43144559/20642664 for the link.
