I don’t expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I’m just being conspiratorial, but here goes:
I banned jordanlund@lemmy.world from !transgender@lemmy.blahajzone earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)
one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video:
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the reason I put down was ‘trolling about neopronouns’ I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.
Shortly after that I got banned from news@lemmy.world for ‘trolling’. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
The .world thread in question (link)
I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:
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The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you’re welcome to disagree with.
I don’t view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they’re on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I’m not trolling.
People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.
I don’t have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.
Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.
PTB. I think you are correct in both cases.
Interesting case. Not giving any opinion right now, but as always, !world@quokk.au is an alternative to the LW one.
Every other instance should defederate from .world. Neoliberal fascism is no better than regular fascism.
Since when are they neoliberal? I encounter more bleeding heart progressives on that instance than anywhere else. Sorry they don’t pass your purity test but they sure as fuck hate fascists.
Edit: ohhhh haha, I just checked your instance. Yea no wonder they aren’t leftie enough for you, go home tankie 👋
Hello red scare. It’s getting tiring.
You’re a lot of things, but not scary.
Okay I guess? I never wanted to be scary lol
I think you do, you want peoples disgust of you to be dismissed as irrational. But it has nothing to do with “red scare”, it’s just that you are really, really gross.
I was the one that submitted the ban, after a number of reports. On the face of it (I am at work, so don’t always have time to deep dive), The reports did seem to align with trolling.
I had/have no idea what’s going on withe the Jordan Lund thing.
I just want to add that it seems to me that about 90% of people accused of trolling on here do not themselves think they are trolling. Something to ponder.
Everybody is the good guy in their own story.
I think this is a related factor but not quite what I’m getting at here.
My understanding of trolling is that it is a deliberate attempt to trigger negative emotional responses and cause trouble. So users should have a good sense of whether they are or are not engaged in trolling.
So either:
A: They are lying about their intentions. B: The community and mods are ascribing ill intentions where there are none. Or C: Different people are using conflicting definitions of trolling.
While A might seem the obvious answer, I think it’s actually far less common than people think. When I go through the histories of people accused of trolling I rarely see clear evidence of it. It’s usually just a person who has a tendency to respond angrily to people they disagree with, or who has a particularly strong disagreement with the community on a particular issue that they feel passionately about.
So I usually chock these cases up to B, and I think this case is a pretty clear example. However I’d also be curious to know if C is at play here, so if you think there is another definition of trolling that differs from mine, please share it.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there? They cooperate with one another, so if you cross one you cross both.
But yeah, doesn’t surprise me. Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there?
One will bait, then other will ban to maintain the image of propriety
Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
That stuff was wild
To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
Just something else I found recently
PTB. Throwing a fit because you pointed out their blatant transphobia
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion. Reading through that whole comment thread there was nothing you said that came across as trolling. Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump, or believe voting is the most important and only way to change anything. I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.
Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump,
Exactly!
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion
They’ll actually form packs of downvoters to team up and track you to downvote. I’d get downvoted in .world, then every single post after that, even my non-political/non-controversial ones would get massively downvoted.
One guy even wrote a program tracking me, then publicly offered it to others to track and downvote me. (thanks @pooperNickel@lemm.ee)
All because I voted third party in the election!! lolololol
Please don’t do this. You pinged this person here who immediately went all over the thread arguing with people and escalating discussions.
Why the fuck do you keep tagging me? You’re obsessed
I actually chuckled when I saw this because I have had you tagged as “UM obsessed”. You guys are a cute couple!
I’m doesn’t matter anymore. Across the world, trump simps like UM were shielded and the propaganda did its job. And now we’re fucked. Enjoy your chuckle about it
Meh, I didn’t vote for Trump. So don’t blame his election on me, friend. Thanks!
Yes you did liar. Can you tell mom to bring you some napkins?
Nah, I didn’t. I voted third party. Remember? That’s why you were so mad and bragged about writing a program to track me.
.world thinks if you give reasoned arguments, reputable sources, and have a logical criticism of a liberal, you’re actually just a Russian bot, China shill, trump stan, or whatever it is this week.
Being morally consistent is a negative to them and must be punished.
I love how being a liberal is looked down on for some reason.
“For some reason.”
That’s what my previous comment said.
We’re trying to make the world a better and more peaceful place instead of just sitting out votes.
Well, I certainly didn’t sit out. I voted.
I just didn’t vote for the person .world wanted me to vote for. :)
I voted in 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024, every year I was legally able to vote, I even registered early when I was 17 in California. I can gladly give you proof I voted in every election I can because my state has ballot tracking.
And is it a better and more peaceful place when liberal status quo protects the companies that socially murder its citizens? Punishment of shoplifting is accepted more than trying to arrest Trump and the Jan 6 attackers? Cops can beat up protestors but not protect families from being evicted by greedy landlords?
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”
Liberals haven’t pushed for the rights of my kind. Liberals defend oppressing my kind because it was normal to hate queer people until recently. Liberal politicians didn’t push for legalization unless it was good for polling numbers. But they gladly sat with their ass on their hands while cops arrested and killed queer people for being happy with themselves.
And I would get into how liberals didn’t push for women’s rights, breaking segregation, ending wars, ending slavery, but I’m not someone who was targeted by them. Liberals don’t stand for what’s right, just what’s currently accepted.
It’s the party of the status quo, even if the status quo includes elements of fascism and oligarchy.
Liberals will soon whitewash Trump, like they whitewashed Bush and his crimes and violations of the constitution.
All the points you bring up are going to get worse because Trump is in power.
“But trump” - The only point liberals have
World is an absolute cancer on Lemmy, its filled with ShitLibs who hold on to their Reddit mentality. If Blahaj defederated from world absolutely nothing of value would be lost.
Anyone who uses the term “shitlib” tend to trend towards trump supporter level of dumbass I’ve noticed
