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    6 hours ago

    Arguing about who said what at this stage is pointless. Did Biden halt arms sales, or did he double down on sending them? If you are trying to stop a genocide you don’t send thousands of tons of weapons to a genocidal maniac

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    Perhaps the most damning statement came from former Israeli Ambassador to the United States Michael Herzog, who said, “God did the State of Israel a favor that Biden was the president during this period, because it could have been much worse. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year, and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.”

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    As far as I can read from the report, one staffer quit as a result of a misleading report written by… not the white house, and the others lamented that Netanyahu was deliberately obstructing negotiations. To say that that equates to lying about working towards a ceasefire seems to be misleading at the least.

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      Maybe if that were the only proof, but we all know about all the aid, weapons, bombs, and jets sent to Israel during this time. It’s not as if this report exists in a vacuum.

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      The article links to a video where Harris states: “the president and I are working around the clock every day to get that ceasefire deal done.” here.

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        And where is the evidence to refute that? In the article, every complaint from the staffers that were published refer to Netanyahu being the one holding shit up. Transcribe where the staffers said Biden wasn’t working around the clock. It’s not there.

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          Here’s an article from Times of Israel corroborating the claims:

          https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-biden-aide-israel-missed-opportunity-for-saudi-deal-hopefully-it-wont-do-so-again/

          “God did the State of Israel a favor that Biden was the president during this period, because it could have been much worse. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted,” the former Israeli ambassador said.

          Emphasis mine

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            What claims? Again that article describes Biden and the admin of being frustrated with Netanyahu and some of his ministers. It also lays out how Biden and the admin were trying to negotiate and create pressure to force Netanyahu out through elections.

            You have one quote from one former ambassador with no supporting evidence.

            Even that would indicate that there was no ultimatum of “ceasefire or else” given, but still leaves open the “hey this is a bad idea and you’re only going to cause death and genocide and force more people to support your opposition”.

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      As far as I can read from the report,

      Then you literally can’t fucking read.

      In a highly anticipated report to Congress, the state department said that the assurances given by Israel and a handful of other countries under scrutiny that they had been using US-supplied weapons in accordance with international humanitarian law (IHL) were “credible and reliable”.

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      The report is mandated by a national security memorandum (NSM-20) signed by Joe Biden in February to assess whether recipients of US arms are complying with human rights law.

      The state department report found that: “Given Israel’s significant reliance on US-made defence articles, it is reasonable to assess that defence articles covered under NSM-20 have been used by Israeli security forces since October 7 in instances inconsistent with its IHL obligations or with established best practices for mitigating civilian harm.”

      Wild levels of obtuseness to refer to the report as not being written by the white house, when it’s literally from the fucking state department. Who is in fucking charge of the State Department, fucking moron?

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/30/stacy-gilbert-us-state-department-israel-gaza-aid

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        The person in charge of the state department is the Secretary of State (Antony Blinken). Which is a stretch to say that it comes directly from Biden or the White House since it is written by a branch department. It comes from the state department. The memo declaring that they had to publish that information came from Biden, but again the response that you’re livid at was written by the state department. Notice how the only people who were targeted in the article were people who didn’t publish that bullshit? Whoever wrote the report is clearly disingenuous but to directly tie that to their superiors is not how that works. You need actual evidence and so far all I have seen is hearsay.

        The video of Harris saying that her and Biden are doing all they can is also probably overplaying it a bit, but again the only evidence in that article is that other staffers were complaining about Netanyahu being the problem.

        How does that translate into “Biden lied about doing everything and oh yeah let’s throw a hit piece on AOC” and finish the article off on that note with also no evidence beyond hearsay?

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          I see a shit ton of .ml accounts signal boosting this article, partying like its October 2024. I don’t buy the legitimacy of “altmedia.house” either. None of it passes the sniff test, to say nothing of the current state of the world.

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            Yeah I’ve been generally assuming this is outside interference from conservatives to fuck with democrat morale. It’s not coherent or logically laid out and has no evidence that actually supports the conclusion…

            Sounds really conservative to me after that.

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              LOL, you think conservatives are worried about Democrat morale being so high that it might make them effective at something? Jesus you people are just so wrapped up in your own bullshit fantasy. The Republicans do not care about hurting the morale of Democrat voters. The Democratic party, it’s leaders, and the elected officials that adhere to it destroy voter morale all on their own without any need for assistance.

              Essentially, the Republicans are following this aphorism - Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

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              Yeah I was gonna say, blaming Biden for anything is exactly what Trump is doing right now. lol

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                Its funny that we’re not allowed to call out Biden for his bullshit before the election, and now we still can’t call out Biden for his bullshit after the election even after their bullshit contributed to the Democrat’s loss. When are you guys ever gonna learn if any criticism is hand waved away as being a Republican misinformation effort. Do you want to continue losing the election?

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    I had to suffer to get to the allegations of the headline in this article but I think I’ve pieced together their word salad.

    The article quotes Stacy Gilbert, a 20 year employee of the State Department who quit in May 2024. She does not say in the quote that the Whitehouse lied about ceasefire efforts, she said that they lied about whether or not US Weapons were linked to specific human rights violations and whether not aid was being disbursed.

    The NSM-20 report, as it was called, stated not only that there was “insufficient evidence” linking U.S. arms to specific human rights violations but, even more alarmingly, that the State Department did not “currently assess that the Israeli government is prohibiting or otherwise restricting the transport or delivery of US humanitarian assistance” in Gaza.

    Anyone paying attention at the time knew that this was a blatant lie. Gilbert told Hamakor that the report was “shocking in its mendacity,” adding: “Everyone knows that is not true.

    That’s the closest thing cited as any sort of Biden Staffer calling out a white house lie. There was one other staffer quoted, Ilan Goldenberg, who criticized Netanyahu for dragging the war out and made it very clear that everyone else was aware of it, but that again does not include claims that the white house lied about pursuing a ceasefire.

    Ilan Goldenberg held several advisory roles in the Biden administration, … He made it clear to Hamakor that the administration understood perfectly well that Netanyahu was dodging any effort at stopping the genocide in Gaza (though he would call it “the war”).

    Goldenberg lamented the fact that any discussion about an endgame in Gaza was obfuscated by Netanyahu and ended without any results. “If they’re never going to do this, it doesn’t matter what the outcome is, Hamas is still going to control Gaza,” Goldenberg told Hamakor. “You’re just killing and destroying for the sake of killing and destroying. But you’re not building an alternative.”

    The article also takes the time, far above that, to quote the Israeli military veteran and Israel appointed ambassador. That might be relevant information, but it’s certainly odd to place it front and center as if to attempt to mislead readers into thinking he spoke for the US or Biden.

    It’s almost like the author doesn’t actually know the difference between Netanyahu and the White House? Like they think it’s the same people?

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      Your comment is disingenuous because we were all conscious and awake during the Biden administration when they repeatedly claimed that they were working for a ceasefire. Kamala Harris, in particular, made the claims several times during her failed presidential campaign. The article links to a video where Harris states: “the president and I are working around the clock every day to get that ceasefire deal done.” here. And that was a lie, as demonstrated in the article by the quote from Herzog and called out by staffer Stacy Gilbert.

      Also, you falsely reported this link, saying that the “Headline makes claim not corroborated by article” in order to get it taken down, presumably to censor it so that people won’t read the article. Just thought people should know that.

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        the commenter you’re replying to is a hardcore pro-DNC troll. they’re constantly claiming that we must all vote blue, no matter what, and that will fix everything happening right now. just a simple minded DNC loyalist wishful thinking their way to a better tomorrow.

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        It’s interesting that you say the quote from Herzog, who is not a US official but actually an Israeli official who supported Trump, is evidence. It’s interesting that you say the quote from Stacy is evidence despite her quote not containing any such claims.

        You want to hear about lies? On his way out, in January, Herzog claimed that Trump wasn’t going to allow Israel to Annex more land. That’s a fucking lie.