The campaign promise was for a better trade deal. Russia offered an even better trade deal, objectively. No one argued it wasn’t. He would have been a traitor not to take a better deal. And he did offer early elections, but the coup was led by Svoboda. Svoboda are Nazis. They’d never win an election, never have.
Getting worked up with me about you supporting Nazis is rich.
You know, there’s objective data showing how many people died in what administration. And you’re telling me less people died under Biden? Do you honestly believe that? Did it feel truthy to you when you said it? Is it your emotional truth? Yes, the genocide is still unfolding. It’s been going on for over seven decades. Yes, Republicans are also genocidal. That’s one of the few things they’re honest about. What does that say about Democrats? Biden repeatedly told debunked blood libel lies against the very people he was enacting genocide against, all from his campaign podium, over and over and over. He said he saw beheaded babies in ovens “with his own eyes”. WTF?
Give me a candidate that isn’t genocidal and I will vote for them. Otherwise, let Republicans run it all into the ground. America failing is the best option put before me, which is best for all humanity. That’s who I care about, not you, not me.
America is out of control and it needs to be stopped somehow. Democracy isn’t an option. I wish it was.
This reads like satire.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Edit: This is satire. Thanks for the laugh, comrade.
I want democracy. I want democracy for us. I want democracy for Ukrainians. I want democracy for Palestinians. I want democracy for the world.
You’ll empower genocidal billionaires over other genocidal billionaires, and call it some kind of victory.
Anyone who questions that logic must be a foreign agent.
I would vote if there was a single candidate on my ballot that didn’t support genocide.
What civilians? Civilian deaths are almost statistically non existent.
Can I assume “unpack” translates to you coming to terms with your own cognitive dissonance?
For instance, what basis is Ukraine getting the upper hand? Could you point to any quantifiable justification for saying this?
More land is being liberated, albeit slowly to prevent collateral deaths. Headlines you see celebrate slowed Russian advances, not net gains for Ukraine. That’s not been true since Russian reconsolidated along the Donbass front years ago.
The Russian economy has only grown. The ruble is stable. Production is booming. Gas is $3.33/gal. What are you seeing that I’m not?
What informs anything you’re saying?
Is this an attempt at manifesting something into reality?
Do you think Russian soldier will read made up assertions and become too sad to fight?
What?
Saying anyone who went to Maidan wanted Svoboda in charge is intellectually dishonest. If it was so popular in a nation of 44 MILLION then Yanukovych would have lost the next election, and maybe he would have, but he didn’t get the chance. Governments are decided in the polls, not in the streets. That’s the difference between fascists storming the capitol Jan6 style and democratic elections in the Donbass. Any legitimacy to Ukrainian unity disappeared that day.
We have a drastically different idea as to what democracy means, apparently.
And the idea of politicians being cowards because the fled a fascist mob is kinda undermining yourself as democratic.
What happened to elected representatives who stayed and tried to participate in the coup government?
I really think you’re alarmingly uninformed, misinformed, and disinformed.
But to answer your deleted comment, yes. You said I don’t care enough about genocide to vote.
I would vote for someone who opposes genocide. I’ve never seen that person on my ballot. This isn’t hyperboles.
Yeah, why would I? The outcomes are already determined. I don’t even get to vote for President. My state votes, not me. I only get two Senators in my heavily populated state, same as Wyoming and Rhode Island. The disparity between states is sometimes seventy to one. Puerto Rico is more populated than HALF the states, but MILLIONS are disenfranchised.
This isn’t a democracy, it’s just a rigged game billionaires play.
You’re like the craps dealer trying to convince me luck will change next time I play.
Bite me.
The Donetsk and Luhansk Peoples Republics seceded on their own after the coup. This was not recognized, but the coup was? The democratic popularity was never challenged, only that they didn’t have a right to secede, even after a coup. Look it up.
Censorship in Russia is not nearly as bad as in Ukraine, as in THERE IS an opposition media. It exists. It’s just that no one cares. Look it up.
Censorship happened all across the West as RT was pulled from services or outright banned. Look it up.
Even Western polling shows Putin is massively popular, with an approval rating higher than any modern US president. Look it up.
Russia’s human index, which includes human rights, has done nothing but go up since the plummet following Perestroika. Look it up.
These are all demonstrably true things, and the idea that you could be so confident in demonstrably false assertions should give you and everyone else pause.
What the fuck is going on?
You must have felt stupid saying that. Understandably. Thanks for deleting it.
If you oppose Israel then I think you’re coming from a good place and you’re speaking earnestly. However, I do believe you’ve been misinformed. The war propaganda you’re repeating simply doesn’t match the realities. I’m not saying you’re lying, just that you’ve been lied to.
I would welcome discourse in good faith, and I’ll tell you exactly why I support what Russia is doing.
America creates the necessity for authoritarian rule. Nations are forced to turn to strongmen, elected or not, else we will destroy you, take all your natural resources, privatize your public institutions, force austerity, basically enslave entire nations within neoliberal feudalism. Blackrock owns Ukraine now. Look it up. Their grandchildren’s grandchildren will be paying off generational debt from predatory military and IMF loans. Annexation would make that disappear overnight.👍 And that’s just the start of what we want to do to Russia.
THIS is all you need to know about the West’s adversarial nature with Russia.👇
The RAND Corporation wrote a whitepaper that basically translates to “How to destroy Russia and take all their shit.”
Russia is more democratic than America, despite their defensive authoritarian tactics to stave off our own aggression. Putin is massively popular, with an approval rating higher than any modern U.S. President. I don’t think we get to chalk that up to “brainwashed Russians”, nor do we get to tell people they “voted wrong”, in Russia or Ukraine.
America arms over 80% of all dictatorships, not Russia. If you sincerely believe in democracy as a universal principle, then that makes us the least democratic nation in the world by far.
People can vote while a war is going on. That’s never been a thing. It was added to the constitution only after an unconstitutional coup. If they can vote in Euromaiden singing contests, they can surely determine their own destiny.
In regards to the war, it’s not Russia kidnapping men off the street to be pressganged into forced conscription. That’s Ukraine. Men can’t even leave to escape this fate. They’re drowning in rivers trying. They dress like old ladies just to go out in public. They can’t vote, they can’t leave, all opposition parties have been banned, all opposition media has been seized by the coup government. It’s victory or death, and no realistic person believes in the former as even remotely possible.
Over a million men have died in total. No one knows the exact amount. The “Discord Leaks” showed we are not being told the true number by Kiev.
This is what it looks like when you wage war against an adversary you still see as human. Russia is trying to liberate people they’re literally related to. More people have fled to Russia than any other nation, simply for the fact that they are Russian, brothers, sisters, cousins.
The Ukraine War has seen the lowest civilian death rate than any major conflict in modern history. Nothing even comes close. Compare that to Gaza, polar opposites.
If you really look at civilian deaths in total, Ukraine is the one more willing to attack civilian sites, even attack nuclear power plants.
When it comes down to it, Israel and Ukraine are both just fascist ethnostate proxies of Western imperialism.
Yes, the Palestinians and the people of the Donbass have much in common. The difference is that a major power is helping the Donbass people. And I’m glad. I wish Iran and Yemen could do more for Palestine, but they can’t.
Western imperialism has become an existential threat to all humanity. A multipolar world order may be our only hope.
Anyways, thanks for speaking to me in good faith. I hope you can at least examine the details of what I covered before dismissing me as a “Russian bot” or “gay for Putin” as a kneejerk response.
You support Israel? Russia supports Palestinian liberation.
I support the democratic human right of self determination, same for Palestine as the Donbass.
Let people vote. It’s a simple rule I follow, applied even for our supposed “enemies”.
And our “allies”? America is arming over 80% of the world’s dictatorship, not Russia.
If you see democracy as a universal principle, and not a privilege enjoyed on the backs of the oppressed, not a selective cudgel to steal natural resources, then that makes America the least democratic nation on Earth.
I take genocide dead serious. Is it funny to you? WTF?
I’m advocating, propagandizing, for democracy. Russia is defending the democratic human right of self determination after a U.S. bankrolled fascist coup.
Ukrainians can’t vote. All opposition parties have been banned. All opposition media has been seized. Men can’t even leave to escape the conscription thugs kidnapping them into vans like ICE agents. Busification.
Russia also supports Palestinian liberation. Awesome. Cool.
You can boil it down to one man, and that’s fine. Putin has massive support among the Russian people, more than any Republican or Democrat ever had. And they’re the only ones that matter.
You don’t get to tell sovereign people on the other side of the world that they “voted wrong”, for Putin, for Yanukovych, or for the countless other democratically elected leaders America has couped, overthrown, kidnapped, or murdered.
Our enemies were never foreign, and you’re a chump to believe that.
Jingoism is a distraction for small minds.
Why would I do that? Are you an accelerationist?
If there is an anti genocide candidate on my ballot then I’ll vote for them.
You want to know where my line is? It’s genocide. I will not vote for a genocidal candidate.
My house rep is Emily Randall. I will not vote. Everyone on my ballot is genocidal, in the bluest of blue districts.
Take comfort in the fact that my vote never mattered anyways, like 90% of Americans in decided districts and states.
If it was up for a straight referendum vote then the genocide would end tomorrow, like so many other injustices, but instead we have unanimous consensus from our supposed representatives that’s diametrically opposed to the people’s actual popular democratic mandates.
Make that make sense.
This is not a democracy.
Another meaningless pejorative for uncomfortable realities.
“Propaganda” never implied mistruth until American reactionaries literally changed the definition during the Cold War, implying themselves as the sole purveyors of truth, anything else being propaganda, without ever having to contend with fact.
American Exceptionalism is the dumbest fallacy imaginable.
How is that when they oversaw the massive lion’s share of deaths, all while giving unflinching support and weapons? FFS, Biden repeatedly told debunked blood libel lies against the very people he was enacting genocide against, all from his campaign podium, saying he saw beheaded babies with his “own eyes”.
Make it make sense to me. Are we even on the same planet?
Yeah, the genocide is still unfolding, and it’s been going on for 78 years.
Also, the DNC is only the leadership that gatekeeps actual progressives who would oppose genocide, the MOST genocidal ghouls of all the Democrats.
You didn’t even look it up.
17,257 civilian deaths out of two million. That’s unheard of. That’s the lowest rate in any major conflict in modern history.
Look at Gaza, the polar opposite.
This is what happens when you wage a war of liberation instead of extermination.
Your propaganda doesn’t mesh with reality.