Polls consistently show that Jewish Israelis view Palestinians as less than human. This deep-seated racism is rooted in the Zionist colonial project and helps explain the broad support for the Gaza genocide.
This mode of interaction seems very likely to alienate people from your cause, rather than opening their eyes to its importance…
I don’t think it’s productive engage combatively with folks making salient points about genocide and dehumanization by talking about the way they related to animals and their treatment/death as a kid.
Their point and the perspective they’re expressing isn’t even incompatible with veganism. They’re talking about what they were taught as a kid in service of an entirely unrelated and genuinely important point. This does not seem like an effective approach for reaching people
Wasn’t trying, bud. Why is your expectation that I must be constantly be ‘doing outreach’? Do you tell carnists that they should stop being ‘needlessly combative’ so they can ‘reach people’? Do you lecture people that when they talk about rape or murder being bad, they must do it in the correct way to avoid upsetting the pro-murder factions? GTFO with this nonsense. Anyone with an Internet connection can see the facts for themselves plain as day - I don’t have to sermonize shit. I also don’t have to pretend that carnism is in any way moral. That’s your hangup, not mine.
Sunshine was making the exact point I had the moment I saw the title. Namely: “The fuck do you mean ‘killed without regret’? I don’t kill anything without regret.”
Once you start nominating groups of sentient creatures as outside normal empathy, it gets easier and easier to expand that definition. That callousness builds on itself. Torturing animals to death in factory farms for no logical reason whatsoever is not a great comparison if you’re trying to take a moral stance against wanton slaughter.
While I think the way we ended up on this subject is not ideal, I would actually be very interested to learn more about this idea- could you help me understand your perspective on the relationship between the two issues?
You do not need animals for food though.
This mode of interaction seems very likely to alienate people from your cause, rather than opening their eyes to its importance…
I don’t think it’s productive engage combatively with folks making salient points about genocide and dehumanization by talking about the way they related to animals and their treatment/death as a kid.
Their point and the perspective they’re expressing isn’t even incompatible with veganism. They’re talking about what they were taught as a kid in service of an entirely unrelated and genuinely important point. This does not seem like an effective approach for reaching people
Might want to examine your biases, bud.
Literally in the process of reducing my animal product intake. Just checked them-
Annnnd yup, being needlessly combative with people in service of your cause still sucks, and still isn’t a very good way of reaching people.
You can reduce more animal suffering if the fact that you’re not being insufferable keeps them open to why it’s something you’re so passionate about.
Wasn’t trying, bud. Why is your expectation that I must be constantly be ‘doing outreach’? Do you tell carnists that they should stop being ‘needlessly combative’ so they can ‘reach people’? Do you lecture people that when they talk about rape or murder being bad, they must do it in the correct way to avoid upsetting the pro-murder factions? GTFO with this nonsense. Anyone with an Internet connection can see the facts for themselves plain as day - I don’t have to sermonize shit. I also don’t have to pretend that carnism is in any way moral. That’s your hangup, not mine.
Read the room?
Sunshine was making the exact point I had the moment I saw the title. Namely: “The fuck do you mean ‘killed without regret’? I don’t kill anything without regret.”
Once you start nominating groups of sentient creatures as outside normal empathy, it gets easier and easier to expand that definition. That callousness builds on itself. Torturing animals to death in factory farms for no logical reason whatsoever is not a great comparison if you’re trying to take a moral stance against wanton slaughter.
Violence towards animals fuels genocides. It’s interconnected.
While I think the way we ended up on this subject is not ideal, I would actually be very interested to learn more about this idea- could you help me understand your perspective on the relationship between the two issues?
Don’t feed the animals.
Are you intending to call sunshine an animal…? What the fuck 😅
If I’m interpreting you correctly thats frankly a lot more fucked up than anything they did.
Really hoping I’m reading that wrong, but if not- don’t be a dick.
We’re all animals.
While that is explicitly true, there’s a very different connotation when you call a person an animal as a way of dismissing them