I’m not saying I like it or want it to be that way. There are a lot of people who prefer to ostrich about the problem than deal with it. Would me having said nothing or deleting my comments be better? Would me doing or saying nothing about the problem help to solve it?
No but bringing that up distracts voters from the real, bigger and more legitimate issues. In 2028 a progressive black woman, or any other woman of color could win if they atleast act like they have good policy and optics like Obama. I firmly believe it and it wouldn’t be that close. Compare that to someone like Newsom, who leftists don’t even like, who we will probably get.
They are a big issue. It’s one of the biggest influences on a political campaign for president by a black woman candidate. I’m going to copy paste from my other comment below
When voters are presented with evidence showing that women political candidates garner just as much support as men in U.S. general elections, voters’ intentions to support women presidential candidates increased by about 3 percentage points, the researchers’ data showed
If they aren’t shown and it’s normalized that a candidate can garner just as much political support then it’s a headwind…
There’s also the belief I’m talking about where people say a woman can’t win, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. It also comes down to advertising and education (which are hamstrung by mudslinging during elections)
There are a lot of studies like this. I could go on for quite a while.
We theorize that one driving force is a paradox among Democratic primary voters: namely, that Black women are seen both as more liberal and less electable. Using two different survey experiments, we show that, while most Democratic primary candidates benefit from perceptions of being more liberal, this cannot be said for Black women due to beliefs that they are less likely to win in the general election.
These issues need to be:
A) recognized as real.
B) dealt with through education and normalization.
Ironically your style of comment is undermining A and B by saying none of this is real, and shutting down any conversation about potentially fixing it…
Not saying you like killing people while shooting then in the head doesnt make them any less dead or you any less guilty. It is just an easy excuse for you to continue your actions without dealing with your own morals.
You want to act like you think critically? Do it. Right now you are adding to the message that people will read and hear that says they are less than and you will claim its repeating it for no ones benefit but the truth as if the truth agrees with you.
You want to deal with the problem, work on dealing with it, instead of bowing down and getting out of the way of it.
When voters are presented with evidence showing that women political candidates garner just as much support as men in U.S. general elections, voters’ intentions to support women presidential candidates increased by about 3 percentage points, the researchers’ data showed
If they aren’t shown and it’s normalized that a candidate can garner just as much political support then it’s a headwind…
There’s also the belief I’m talking about where people say a woman can’t win, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. It also comes down to advertising and education (which are hamstrung by mudslinging during elections)
There are a lot of studies like this. I could go on for quite a while.
We theorize that one driving force is a paradox among Democratic primary voters: namely, that Black women are seen both as more liberal and less electable. Using two different survey experiments, we show that, while most Democratic primary candidates benefit from perceptions of being more liberal, this cannot be said for Black women due to beliefs that they are less likely to win in the general election.
These issues need to be:
A) recognized as real.
B) dealt with through education and normalization.
Ironically your style of comment is undermining A and B by saying none of this is real, and shutting down any conversation about potentially fixing it…
And trump was shown as losing every election in the polls.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Studies about about how people think other people will feel from 500 people on Amazon’s slave labor website falls distinctly in the third category.
Humans are silly apes looking for purpose and answers and we get what we put out. And for some reason when women run they seem to win at the same rate as men. Almost like it can’t be simplified to math about racial disparity.
Next you can pull out some calipers and talk about how head size correlates to evolution and superiority, but you are only doing it cause someone else offered to separate them out for you. Nah, I’m done hearing you excuse away your original line of “well shes a black woman so its basically impossible for her to win”
Yeah you’re right it’s not an issue that needs to be identified and educated to the general population. We’ll just run a candidate again and act surprised when she loses despite the polling we’re getting saying she’s going to win…
If you won’t accept Standford as a source tell me in advance what sources you accept and I bet I can find studies from that institution as well supporting my argument…
Edit:
This feels like:
“Here are sources proving people don’t change their mind when presented with sources to foundationally back up a claim they don’t agree with”
And there it is again. “Run a woman of color and we should all pack it in now cause she will lose.” No effort, no nuance. Just obvious to you and all the racists and sexists you “dont” agree with wink.
You dont have polls or actual data on this, you have guesses thrown into the night and cherry picked to make a point from endless data we collect. I can find someone that agrees with me that the sky is a painting, it doesnt mean we can’t send someone up to try to touch it, and you saying it shouldn’t even be tried is against everything humans are for. Effort and against the odds trying.
Its gross. You can deal with that. I’m out.
If you read my sources (and my previous comments, “as per my last email”) a lot of these biases and headwinds disappear with education. As stupid as it sounds, just running an ad going “a black female candidate can garner just as much political support as a white male candidate” can have a strong effect in her campaign.
The core disagreement I think we’re having is whether or not this should even be identified as an issue. I believe it should be as per my previous comments.
as far as I can tell, you don’t think it’s an issue and shouldn’t be contented in an election
You want to prove you mean that it just takes education, delete your original comment that says a woman if color just can’t get people to vote for her. Otherwise it still looks like you are trying to argue you have moral justification for stepping on the throats of others when admonishing their attempts at more.
I’m not saying I like it or want it to be that way. There are a lot of people who prefer to ostrich about the problem than deal with it. Would me having said nothing or deleting my comments be better? Would me doing or saying nothing about the problem help to solve it?
No but bringing that up distracts voters from the real, bigger and more legitimate issues. In 2028 a progressive black woman, or any other woman of color could win if they atleast act like they have good policy and optics like Obama. I firmly believe it and it wouldn’t be that close. Compare that to someone like Newsom, who leftists don’t even like, who we will probably get.
They are a big issue. It’s one of the biggest influences on a political campaign for president by a black woman candidate. I’m going to copy paste from my other comment below
Here’s an article on what I’m talking about
If they aren’t shown and it’s normalized that a candidate can garner just as much political support then it’s a headwind…
There’s also the belief I’m talking about where people say a woman can’t win, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. It also comes down to advertising and education (which are hamstrung by mudslinging during elections)
There are a lot of studies like this. I could go on for quite a while.
There’s also a double bind racial bias where black female candidates are viewed as highly competent but unsuitable for a general election.
These issues need to be:
A) recognized as real.
B) dealt with through education and normalization.
Ironically your style of comment is undermining A and B by saying none of this is real, and shutting down any conversation about potentially fixing it…
Edit: grammar
Not saying you like killing people while shooting then in the head doesnt make them any less dead or you any less guilty. It is just an easy excuse for you to continue your actions without dealing with your own morals.
You want to act like you think critically? Do it. Right now you are adding to the message that people will read and hear that says they are less than and you will claim its repeating it for no ones benefit but the truth as if the truth agrees with you.
You want to deal with the problem, work on dealing with it, instead of bowing down and getting out of the way of it.
Here’s an article on what I’m talking about
If they aren’t shown and it’s normalized that a candidate can garner just as much political support then it’s a headwind…
There’s also the belief I’m talking about where people say a woman can’t win, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. It also comes down to advertising and education (which are hamstrung by mudslinging during elections)
There are a lot of studies like this. I could go on for quite a while.
There’s also a double bind racial bias where black female candidates are viewed as highly competent but unsuitable for a general election.
These issues need to be:
A) recognized as real.
B) dealt with through education and normalization.
Ironically your style of comment is undermining A and B by saying none of this is real, and shutting down any conversation about potentially fixing it…
And trump was shown as losing every election in the polls.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Studies about about how people think other people will feel from 500 people on Amazon’s slave labor website falls distinctly in the third category.
Humans are silly apes looking for purpose and answers and we get what we put out. And for some reason when women run they seem to win at the same rate as men. Almost like it can’t be simplified to math about racial disparity.
Next you can pull out some calipers and talk about how head size correlates to evolution and superiority, but you are only doing it cause someone else offered to separate them out for you. Nah, I’m done hearing you excuse away your original line of “well shes a black woman so its basically impossible for her to win”
Yeah you’re right it’s not an issue that needs to be identified and educated to the general population. We’ll just run a candidate again and act surprised when she loses despite the polling we’re getting saying she’s going to win…
If you won’t accept Standford as a source tell me in advance what sources you accept and I bet I can find studies from that institution as well supporting my argument…
Edit:
This feels like:
“Here are sources proving people don’t change their mind when presented with sources to foundationally back up a claim they don’t agree with”
“I don’t believe that”
And there it is again. “Run a woman of color and we should all pack it in now cause she will lose.” No effort, no nuance. Just obvious to you and all the racists and sexists you “dont” agree with wink.
You dont have polls or actual data on this, you have guesses thrown into the night and cherry picked to make a point from endless data we collect. I can find someone that agrees with me that the sky is a painting, it doesnt mean we can’t send someone up to try to touch it, and you saying it shouldn’t even be tried is against everything humans are for. Effort and against the odds trying.
Its gross. You can deal with that. I’m out.
If you read my sources (and my previous comments, “as per my last email”) a lot of these biases and headwinds disappear with education. As stupid as it sounds, just running an ad going “a black female candidate can garner just as much political support as a white male candidate” can have a strong effect in her campaign.
The core disagreement I think we’re having is whether or not this should even be identified as an issue. I believe it should be as per my previous comments.
as far as I can tell, you don’t think it’s an issue and shouldn’t be contented in an election
You want to prove you mean that it just takes education, delete your original comment that says a woman if color just can’t get people to vote for her. Otherwise it still looks like you are trying to argue you have moral justification for stepping on the throats of others when admonishing their attempts at more.
I edited my original comment to append info to clarify. Deleting it would remove an important part of this whole conversation I think.