Do people still not get the U.S.? Despite the U.S. doing its best to let the whole world know exactly what it’s like?
Twice now we have run highly qualified women against a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, insurrectionist, low IQ, racist, loud mouth dipshit. And both times they lost to that felon rapist dipshit. We ran those women against the worst of the worst…AND THEY FUCKING LOST. And no, I do not care that one won the popular vote, cuz that shit doesn’t make people president in the U.S.
What more proof do we need that the U.S. isn’t ready for a female president? It took an extremely educated, personable, and charismatic black man just to finally get a black man as president. And there’s a lot of people out there a whole lot more open to a black man as president than ANY woman.
She is a woman.
She is not white.
She is younger than any president ever. Voters tend not to want young people as president.
While liked by the left, centrists do not like her. She’s too liberal for them. Same story with Bernie.
The odds are stacked against her. You don’t keep betting on a losing strategy if you want to win. That’s insanity. And I don’t know about y’all, but I’M TIRED OF FUCKING LOSING. And even if we avoid this treasonous Trump 3rd term bullshit, if another Republican wins the next one, they’ll probably get 8 years total. And that asshole will know all the things he can bend and break because Trump showed him. By the end of that 8 years, we really won’t have to worry about voting again. Or we’ll be one of those countries where we still “vote” but the same guy just keeps winning even though it doesn’t add up.
This is too fucking serious to be gambling on a long shot. She won’t win. And we’ll lose our futures. It’ll be the same as with Hillary and Kamala. It’ll seem locked in and the energy will be electrifying, and then the reality of America and American voters who aren’t associated with left leaning platforms like Reddit and Lemmy will kick in and we’ll fucking lose.
NOTE: I, personally, would love someone as left as AOC or Bernie to be president. That doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Reality exists and we have to work within its boundaries, or lose, forever.
very shortsighted. I blame the DNC running Biden for far too long and then lying to their base about why Kamala lost. It’s very obvious that Kamala would have been 100% more competent than Trump. She should have won in a landslide, & I’m from Minnesota where she did win. She just didn’t distance herself from the growing unpopular and conservative tint that Biden started really showing especially after/regarding October 7th /israel.
What I’ve also been wondering about this; Hasn’t AOC also said she doesn’t really want to run for president, is there anyone with some knowledge that can point me to that or was I making that up? I could swear I remember something about her seeing congress as her long term thing as she sees it as more strategic?
This is all based on believing that Harris only lost because she was a woman
I mean I listed 4 specific reasons why AOC wouldn’t win. She shares 3 of them with Harris. And yeah, the being a woman one is a HUGE reason in this country. Clearly Harris made her own unique mistakes. The 4 reasons I listed are more than enough to keep AOC from the presidency.
Buddy Harris was a trash candidate. She came in like 10th in the 2020 primaries behind other women and people of color. Comments like yours just protect Biden’s reputation.
this attitude is exactly why Biden became president. and what happened? genocide, fascism.
this is conventional bs and believing in it is what made everyone underestimate mango mussolini, and more importantly, what made democrats lose to him. twice.
It’s not an attitude. It’s the United States of America, on display, being very clear about what it is. And what it is is not a country ready to elect a woman. That has been made abundantly clear, in reality, multiple times.
Losing strategies do not win.
Know what else happened when Biden was president? Not the crazy fucking shit we’re seeing now. And a few genuine progressive wins. I’ll take that over whatever actual fascist genocidal shit the Republicans can cook up with another 8 years of power after this.
It’s funny that you choose Biden as an example as that old white dude is the only winner we’ve had in the last 3 elections.
Choose the same losing strategy that lost the last two times we tried it and be prepared to lose again, with even higher stakes.
It’s almost impressive how you can decidedly declare that because 2 women have not been voted into the presidency that there are absolutely NO OTHER WOMEN who could possibly be successful.
I think this viewpoint speaks a lot more about your own personal views than anything actually rooted in reality.
Highly qualified centrist women… This “iT wAs SeXiSm” take is trite and frankly fucking boring at this point. Maybe we should run an actual leftist brown woman to isolate the variables?
Hell Warren would have done better than Harris. Harris was just a trash candidate who came in like 10th in the 2020 primaries behind other women and people of color.
If you remember the 2020 primary, the “can a woman really win” questions really ramped when Warren was briefly leading, not when Harris looked like she was the hot up and comer. There’s nothing legitimate behind these concern trolling campaigns, just establishment centrists showing how similar to Republicans they really are.
This “iT wAs SeXiSm” take is trite and frankly fucking boring at this point.
I’m sorry the reality of the country you live in hasn’t set in yet.
Maybe we should run an actual leftist brown woman to isolate the variables?
Hey, it worked the last time we tried running an actual leftist who was a WHITE MALE who every leftist adored. Oh wait, he lost the primary popular vote both times and never had a real shot at the presidency. Oops.
Sanders got ratfucked in the primary and still managed to crush Hillary in much of the Rust Belt, the exact places where she lost to Trump in the general. Fuck your revisionist nonsense.
So, why’d she spend so much time and money on pursuing Republican voters? The campaign’s outreach was unprecedented.
Independents are required to win elections. The Democrats and Republicans both know this, it’s common knowledge and irrefutable, a mathematical fact.
So… why waste time and money courting Republicans? That’s never worked before, and it won’t start working now.
She knew exactly what she was doing. She took a knee.
Why? We’ll probably never know.
(what other reason could there be? feel free to share. this is an unsettling thought to me and nobody has offered me a viable alternative to her motivation for R outreach)
No way, she was playing to win. They were hoping some republicans on the fringe would switch if she buddied up with some of the decent republicans that Trump hated, the problem was too many people were fucked so badly by the current system they just wanted to burn everything down with the hope that whatever replaced it would be better.
We all see how that went. They were hoodwinked by the same grifter and they all fell for it again.
Hilary won the popular vote and she is a warmongers not a qualified women. Blame your shitty electoral system. Hilary is one of the dumbest politicians. People was saying a muslim communist politician would not win, mamdani won. People used to say a blackcpresiden would never win, Obama won twice.
The problem is that US politicians are not acting with voter’s futures in mind, and the “progressive” ones & their constituents seem to believe that the only way things will get better is if they continue to bend the knee and cater to a constantly devolving status quo. Progress doesn’t happen when you reduce your goals, and change doesn’t happen without force. If reality doesn’t account for you, you need to make it so. I suppose it’s just a matter of it needing to get so bad that you realize the future was never promised to anyone to begin with.
Progressives are very not content with the Satan’s quo. But it seems to be the position of the DNC and every centrist Democrat that they would rather bend the knee to the party of pedophiles before they would ever side with any progressives. Like the democrats are their own worst enemy. I mean most of the GOP are dumb as rocks or assaulting children violently and sexually.
Not disagreeing with you. But are you gonna grab a gun and be the leader of the revolution?
Cuz anyone that isn’t prepared to do that (everyone as far as I can tell) should be open to the realistic path of electing Democrats to ensure we don’t collapse into a fascist nation, then reforming that party by primarying the bad actors out. Party reformation is possible and has happened multiple times in American history.
That’s the thing though. The US is already a highly fascistic state and has been for more or less over a century. If we go over the standard criteria, there’s relatively centralized autocracy with the President, militarism which has pervaded American culture and politics for essentially its entire existence (especially apparent in globalized media such as Hollywood productions), suppression of opposition through shunning of any political ideologies left of the centre (clear in tactics seen throughout the red scare), belief in a natural social order with the working, middle, and upper classes, along with “undesirables” like the homeless and other marginalized communities, alignment of the economy with the state through the military-industrial complex, and explicit conditioning of individual identity to be aligned with the national one through the pledge of allegiance and US-centrism.
The only thing that’s up in the air is the President’s status as a dictator, but I would argue that’s simply a result of the US government’s focus heretofore on soft power, i.e. focusing on diplomacy and relatively peaceful occupation as opposed to force or violence. The ability of the President to have such drastic effects on the economy and current policy is already tipping the scales against the non-dictatorship argument in any case.
I’m not necessarily trying to make a call to action, that would be narrow-minded. I’m simply pointing out that real change on a societal level doesn’t truly happen until people realize things are getting desperate, and at that point the already long-standing problems were made a whole lot worse by believing they could be managed with less overt means.
Cuz that’s a winning strategy in this country. And I like playing to win, not playing based on my ideals, which more often than not will result in a loss and make me the least happy.
There is no faster way on the internet to prove to everyone that you have no clue what you’re talking about than to make this statement.
Both Sider’s are wasting everyone’s time and causing more harm than good.
There is also no even remotely viable 3rd party and absolutely, positively will not be by 2028. So again, you are wasting everyone’s time with nonsense.
Both Sider’s are wasting everyone’s time and causing more harm than good.
How the fuck are they causing any harm when the red and blue party have been cycling in power for the past century and are the source of all the issues?
There is also no even remotely viable 3rd party and absolutely, positively will not be by 2028. So again, you are wasting everyone’s time with nonsense.
I would argue that this logic is causing way more harm and non sense because any party can win the elections.
They’re not the same! But they are both for sale. They don’t have any actual bedrock values or anything.
For example, Ds are the “pro-labor” party, but minimum wage is just over seven bucks and unions have been destroyed (from 40 to 10%, the remainder are mostly cops and government). We have been surpassed by Poland. Face it.
Rs are the “state’s rights” party, but the second they hold office they pass the Patriot Act and fund ICE and withhold funds from the states and ignore their courts.
Look at the results, don’t listen to the bloviating, that’s just to fuck with your head.
Sigh
Do people still not get the U.S.? Despite the U.S. doing its best to let the whole world know exactly what it’s like?
Twice now we have run highly qualified women against a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, insurrectionist, low IQ, racist, loud mouth dipshit. And both times they lost to that felon rapist dipshit. We ran those women against the worst of the worst…AND THEY FUCKING LOST. And no, I do not care that one won the popular vote, cuz that shit doesn’t make people president in the U.S.
What more proof do we need that the U.S. isn’t ready for a female president? It took an extremely educated, personable, and charismatic black man just to finally get a black man as president. And there’s a lot of people out there a whole lot more open to a black man as president than ANY woman.
She is a woman.
She is not white.
She is younger than any president ever. Voters tend not to want young people as president.
While liked by the left, centrists do not like her. She’s too liberal for them. Same story with Bernie.
The odds are stacked against her. You don’t keep betting on a losing strategy if you want to win. That’s insanity. And I don’t know about y’all, but I’M TIRED OF FUCKING LOSING. And even if we avoid this treasonous Trump 3rd term bullshit, if another Republican wins the next one, they’ll probably get 8 years total. And that asshole will know all the things he can bend and break because Trump showed him. By the end of that 8 years, we really won’t have to worry about voting again. Or we’ll be one of those countries where we still “vote” but the same guy just keeps winning even though it doesn’t add up.
This is too fucking serious to be gambling on a long shot. She won’t win. And we’ll lose our futures. It’ll be the same as with Hillary and Kamala. It’ll seem locked in and the energy will be electrifying, and then the reality of America and American voters who aren’t associated with left leaning platforms like Reddit and Lemmy will kick in and we’ll fucking lose.
NOTE: I, personally, would love someone as left as AOC or Bernie to be president. That doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Reality exists and we have to work within its boundaries, or lose, forever.
This is all based on believing that Harris only lost because she was a woman of color. Pretty shortsighted honestly.
very shortsighted. I blame the DNC running Biden for far too long and then lying to their base about why Kamala lost. It’s very obvious that Kamala would have been 100% more competent than Trump. She should have won in a landslide, & I’m from Minnesota where she did win. She just didn’t distance herself from the growing unpopular and conservative tint that Biden started really showing especially after/regarding October 7th /israel.
What I’ve also been wondering about this; Hasn’t AOC also said she doesn’t really want to run for president, is there anyone with some knowledge that can point me to that or was I making that up? I could swear I remember something about her seeing congress as her long term thing as she sees it as more strategic?
I mean I listed 4 specific reasons why AOC wouldn’t win. She shares 3 of them with Harris. And yeah, the being a woman one is a HUGE reason in this country. Clearly Harris made her own unique mistakes. The 4 reasons I listed are more than enough to keep AOC from the presidency.
Oh come on, don’t clip the quote like that. If you’re going to quote me, quote in full.
I think AOC could win depending on how sour the American people turn on Trump and I don’t think those 3 reasons are why Harris lost.
Buddy Harris was a trash candidate. She came in like 10th in the 2020 primaries behind other women and people of color. Comments like yours just protect Biden’s reputation.
this attitude is exactly why Biden became president. and what happened? genocide, fascism.
this is conventional bs and believing in it is what made everyone underestimate mango mussolini, and more importantly, what made democrats lose to him. twice.
It’s not an attitude. It’s the United States of America, on display, being very clear about what it is. And what it is is not a country ready to elect a woman. That has been made abundantly clear, in reality, multiple times.
Losing strategies do not win.
Know what else happened when Biden was president? Not the crazy fucking shit we’re seeing now. And a few genuine progressive wins. I’ll take that over whatever actual fascist genocidal shit the Republicans can cook up with another 8 years of power after this.
It’s funny that you choose Biden as an example as that old white dude is the only winner we’ve had in the last 3 elections.
Choose the same losing strategy that lost the last two times we tried it and be prepared to lose again, with even higher stakes.
It’s almost impressive how you can decidedly declare that because 2 women have not been voted into the presidency that there are absolutely NO OTHER WOMEN who could possibly be successful.
I think this viewpoint speaks a lot more about your own personal views than anything actually rooted in reality.
Highly qualified centrist women… This “iT wAs SeXiSm” take is trite and frankly fucking boring at this point. Maybe we should run an actual leftist brown woman to isolate the variables?
Hell Warren would have done better than Harris. Harris was just a trash candidate who came in like 10th in the 2020 primaries behind other women and people of color.
If you remember the 2020 primary, the “can a woman really win” questions really ramped when Warren was briefly leading, not when Harris looked like she was the hot up and comer. There’s nothing legitimate behind these concern trolling campaigns, just establishment centrists showing how similar to Republicans they really are.
I’m sorry the reality of the country you live in hasn’t set in yet.
Hey, it worked the last time we tried running an actual leftist who was a WHITE MALE who every leftist adored. Oh wait, he lost the primary popular vote both times and never had a real shot at the presidency. Oops.
Sanders got ratfucked in the primary and still managed to crush Hillary in much of the Rust Belt, the exact places where she lost to Trump in the general. Fuck your revisionist nonsense.
She can win if you vote for her.
I don’t even like AOC that much but I’ll vote for her. And we know all you vote blues will anyway.
She can’t win if I vote for her. She can win if ALL leftists and A LOT of centrists vote for her.
And that’s not happening in reality.
So why did Harris pander to Republicans if this is the case? Why was there so much vitriol and dismissiveness when it came to courting leftists?
I love your one way pragmatism.
Funny how the the Liberals unconditionally supporting hyper right win Harris on Lemmy are against AOC.
Centerists are very frustrated we leftists haven’t learned our place.
You’re so close!
You’re right… Kamala is not dumb.
So, why’d she spend so much time and money on pursuing Republican voters? The campaign’s outreach was unprecedented.
Independents are required to win elections. The Democrats and Republicans both know this, it’s common knowledge and irrefutable, a mathematical fact.
So… why waste time and money courting Republicans? That’s never worked before, and it won’t start working now.
She knew exactly what she was doing. She took a knee.
Why? We’ll probably never know.
(what other reason could there be? feel free to share. this is an unsettling thought to me and nobody has offered me a viable alternative to her motivation for R outreach)
No way, she was playing to win. They were hoping some republicans on the fringe would switch if she buddied up with some of the decent republicans that Trump hated, the problem was too many people were fucked so badly by the current system they just wanted to burn everything down with the hope that whatever replaced it would be better.
We all see how that went. They were hoodwinked by the same grifter and they all fell for it again.
Hilary won the popular vote and she is a warmongers not a qualified women. Blame your shitty electoral system. Hilary is one of the dumbest politicians. People was saying a muslim communist politician would not win, mamdani won. People used to say a blackcpresiden would never win, Obama won twice.
Aoc has better chsnce than the idiot Newsome.
The problem is that US politicians are not acting with voter’s futures in mind, and the “progressive” ones & their constituents seem to believe that the only way things will get better is if they continue to bend the knee and cater to a constantly devolving status quo. Progress doesn’t happen when you reduce your goals, and change doesn’t happen without force. If reality doesn’t account for you, you need to make it so. I suppose it’s just a matter of it needing to get so bad that you realize the future was never promised to anyone to begin with.
Progressives are very not content with the Satan’s quo. But it seems to be the position of the DNC and every centrist Democrat that they would rather bend the knee to the party of pedophiles before they would ever side with any progressives. Like the democrats are their own worst enemy. I mean most of the GOP are dumb as rocks or assaulting children violently and sexually.
Not disagreeing with you. But are you gonna grab a gun and be the leader of the revolution?
Cuz anyone that isn’t prepared to do that (everyone as far as I can tell) should be open to the realistic path of electing Democrats to ensure we don’t collapse into a fascist nation, then reforming that party by primarying the bad actors out. Party reformation is possible and has happened multiple times in American history.
That’s the thing though. The US is already a highly fascistic state and has been for more or less over a century. If we go over the standard criteria, there’s relatively centralized autocracy with the President, militarism which has pervaded American culture and politics for essentially its entire existence (especially apparent in globalized media such as Hollywood productions), suppression of opposition through shunning of any political ideologies left of the centre (clear in tactics seen throughout the red scare), belief in a natural social order with the working, middle, and upper classes, along with “undesirables” like the homeless and other marginalized communities, alignment of the economy with the state through the military-industrial complex, and explicit conditioning of individual identity to be aligned with the national one through the pledge of allegiance and US-centrism.
The only thing that’s up in the air is the President’s status as a dictator, but I would argue that’s simply a result of the US government’s focus heretofore on soft power, i.e. focusing on diplomacy and relatively peaceful occupation as opposed to force or violence. The ability of the President to have such drastic effects on the economy and current policy is already tipping the scales against the non-dictatorship argument in any case.
I’m not necessarily trying to make a call to action, that would be narrow-minded. I’m simply pointing out that real change on a societal level doesn’t truly happen until people realize things are getting desperate, and at that point the already long-standing problems were made a whole lot worse by believing they could be managed with less overt means.
What’s a name you would toss out to run and win?
White Man
Cuz that’s a winning strategy in this country. And I like playing to win, not playing based on my ideals, which more often than not will result in a loss and make me the least happy.
Goodie. Another centrist, genocide supporting, strike blocking piece of shit.
I figured just curious which one(s) you would advocate for.
The question is asking doe a name and not which skin color has higher chance to win
Sounds like you are not getting the U.S.
Both the red and blue party are the same and everyone running for these is scum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Gaza_war
They’re not the same! But they are both anti-union and pro military-industrial-complex (or anyone else with a fortune to spend).
They disagree on trans and gay issues… because they just don’t have the cash, really.
There is no faster way on the internet to prove to everyone that you have no clue what you’re talking about than to make this statement.
Both Sider’s are wasting everyone’s time and causing more harm than good.
There is also no even remotely viable 3rd party and absolutely, positively will not be by 2028. So again, you are wasting everyone’s time with nonsense.
How the fuck are they causing any harm when the red and blue party have been cycling in power for the past century and are the source of all the issues?
I would argue that this logic is causing way more harm and non sense because any party can win the elections.
They’re not the same! But they are both for sale. They don’t have any actual bedrock values or anything.
For example, Ds are the “pro-labor” party, but minimum wage is just over seven bucks and unions have been destroyed (from 40 to 10%, the remainder are mostly cops and government). We have been surpassed by Poland. Face it.
Rs are the “state’s rights” party, but the second they hold office they pass the Patriot Act and fund ICE and withhold funds from the states and ignore their courts.
Look at the results, don’t listen to the bloviating, that’s just to fuck with your head.
Go ahead and vote, I will. But watch.
You’re speaking of the bipartisan Patriot Act?
But they’re not the same lol