The Israeli military ordered an investigation into what went wrong, as strikes on two towns close to a nuclear site underlined Iran's continued ability to hit back.
Israelis have been actively slaughtering innocent women and children in Palestine for years now with the public cheering on, they have started an unprovoked war with Iran by bombing a school killing 150 little girls. This is just a tiny sample of Israel’s recent crimes. Is it any wonder the world has little sympathy for them? About the same amount that we had for the Nazis after all of their war crimes. Get fucked Israel, go eat several bags of dicks.
I’d rather Iran be killing soldiers than innocent too, but I understand why people can’t get but feel this way at this point. There’s been literally zero justice against Israel, and it’s so extreme what they’ve gotten away with, that I fully understand the schnaudenfreude many will be feeling at seeing Israel seeing any form of repercussions at this point.
That a overwhelming majority of the population isn’t strongly against their government doesn’t help either.
So while you do have a point, it would kind of be like trying to shame lgbtq+ people for being happy an apartment in Berlin got bombed during WW2… Especially considering we are essentially in WW3, in great part started by Israel, who is also currently trying another genocide run in Lebanon now.
I wish it happened another way (say, by the missile hitting its intended target), but in general it’s a good thing for Israelis to know they’re not invincible.
Because they’re Israeli? And a large majority of Isrealis support whats being done to Iran? If you’re a Jew who still chooses to live there then its your own fucking fault if you get killed. They have literally EVERY opportunity in the world to leave their colonial paradise.
You could say the same about the United States could you not? News flash: relocation when your broke in a shit, war ravaged economy is difficult to put it mildly.
I don’t think the US should exist either. If a settler colonial state exists it should be put down like the diseased rabid dog it is. That includes Israel, America, and Canada. The only acceptable terms for settlers is relinquishing control to the original inhabitants of the land.
USians on Reddit kept blabbering for four years how “all decent Russians left Russia, only supporters of Putin and the war are still there”. So it must be pretty easy, just need to get on the plane and fly away.
Punishing a whole country for the actions of a few elites is a bit steep. If you think the average American wants half of what’s going on, you’ve fallen victim to propaganda. Do better. By your logic we should have commit genocide after WW2 to make sure the Nazis were even stevens with the Jews. That eye for an eye thinking will make the whole world blind.
Look, if a nation sends aid to another in a time of need then it should get help when it is in need. If a nation sends bombs it is only fair that it gets bombed. The usa is not some magical outsider immune to the consequences of their own actions.
And to bring up the Jews with what is currently going on is kinda finny. israel exists due partly to the genocide in WWII and apparently you think that Germany was not bombed the everliving fuck out of. Do you know of the Dresden bombings, it was also a genocide.
Punishing a whole nation for what their leaders have that nation do is very much the standard, if that nation does not want that then there is always resistance or revolution.
Well it’s way less than half that voted against trump. The percentage of eligible voters that actually vote in the U.S. is pathetic.
But yes, sucks for those that voted against it. But their (much lesser) culpability is not not striking, protesting, campaigning, etc. If they’re doing all that, then I’m sure they’re just as pissed off at the rest of Americans so they wouldn’t mind my generalization.
Many of us are doing those things, but that is beside my point. I am more referring to the notion that civilians deserve the hell of warfare, particularly when policies they personally voted for are what led there.
I believe this sort of “give them what they deserve” thinking is what allows our leaders to even wage war at all, and without it, there would be little to no public appetite for warfare.
I find it helps me to remember that even the most violent and rabid constituencies are voting based on a concerted multi-billion dollar constant misinformation campaign, and holding them responsible for their position in that scenario is blaming the victim. The people that are callous to the other side and cheer on bloodshed were programmed daily for many years to behave in that manner. Rather than kill them or wish for their death, we can work to dismantle the apparatus that took our friends, neighbors, and family members from us and turned them into those ghouls. I believe most will return to sanity on their own if the spigot of falsehoods stops.
“Don’t blame me I voted for kodos.” You can stick your head in the sand if you like but it does not change the facts. Did any civilian getting bombed have a different situation? Why are you so special that you think your nation gets to bomb but not be bombed back?
It’s also literally the only place in the world were Jews are relatively safe when it comes to general antisemitism from within the society. I get why they don’t leave. Besides that there are still protests against the government and against the war. People don’t want to give up and fight for a better future of Israel and Palestine.
That’s blatant propaganda meant to excuse an apartheid state. Jews are as safe in any western country as they are in Israel. I’ve known many and I garuntee you they don’t get anywhere the level of danger and hate the average trans person gets on a day to day basis.
The USA’s first target in Iran was a school for girls.
The USA’s first target was to kill civilians.
If you’re cheering the the USA in any of this, you’re cheering for death. No one is defending what the Iranian government has done to their civilians. But it’s not the USA’s job to be the world police, bomb little girls trying to get an education, tank the global oil economy, and send their own citizens to die in an illegal war.
Maybe take a step back. I’m queer, married to a trans person. Palestine doesn’t support me or my right to live. I don’t care I would prefer to take the higher ground in thinking Palestinians deserve a right to live.
Iran was uprising over their own government. Now they don’t have power, food is limited, and their govenment is still killing them while the USA bombs their schools.
Just to put the scale of this into context, the strike on the girl’s school wasn’t the first thing they did, those three strikes were among the first 700 strikes carried out on day one (1200 in the first 36 hours).
Try asking the guy to criticise Israel for all the civilians they’ve killed and you may find that it’s actually not that easy, which is strange, right?
So you’re making assumptions based on your flawed and biased experience instead of factual data. Got it. I expected that given the quality of comment you provided above.
No, I simply recognise what I perceive may not be the same as reality and would double check my assumptions before posting any comment so I do less mistakes. I especially do not proudly proclaim that my comments lack any research whatsoever and that I’m completely fine with it like you are doing.
Checking if the person I’m accusing of being a leftist is a leftist first before posting the comment is not pretending to do research, it’s simply common sense.
You somehow think that making comments involves either peer-reviewed science or zero research at all and nothing in between. You also seem to be proud of not double-checking your assumptions at all. From these two observations, I can tell that you have a few issues up there that needs to be addressed.
I suppose I don’t really know why I engage with willfully ignorant dumbasses. It’s just that it feels wrong to leave the really fucking stupidly wrong comments with no reply. I know it won’t break through the ignorance. They’re living in their own little alternate reality, ignoring everything that doesn’t fit into their little constructed worldview, attacking everyone who is actually trying to make the world a better place.
But I guess it makes me feel better to speak up against the stupidity, even though it’s useless. Because if we don’t, these idiots will dominate the conversation and it will end up with more people going down that path.
It’s like the anecdote of the bar where the guy is at the bar having a drink. Another guy walks in, goes up to the bar and orders a drink. Bartender tells him to get out. New guy says, “Hey, I just want to have a drink and relax, man.” Bartender has none of it, tells him to get out and never come back. New guy leaves, and our original guy asks the bartender about it, to which the bartender replies: “That guy had a swastika tattoo. He was a nazi. And the thing is, he probably would have been polite and had a drink and maybe even made friendly conversation. But the thing about nazis: Once he realized he was allowed here, he’d start bringing his other nazi friends. Once you let one of them in and stay, you become a nazi bar.”
It’s a little glurgy, and maybe it never happened or maybe it’s happened a hundred times… that’s the thing about anecdotes like that.
But the underlying principle is sound.
If we let these fucking fascists take over the conversation, soon this place will be no better than /r/the_donald or /r/conservative or Truth Social or any of the other places fascists congregate.
So I guess that’s why I speak up.
But I don’t really try to change their stupid opinions, because there’s no fucking point. All I really would like to see is for them to shut the fuck up and stop pissing all over the conversation.
They made themselves the right people with the genocide they support. 5 years ago it was a different story. But 100,000+ Palestinians later, I have no sympathy for Israelis. FAFO
Maybe not - though the anti-Israel stance of most / many leftist certainly seems to be getting pretty rabid. And the person I called a ‘leftist’ didn’t dispute that claim.
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Israelis have been actively slaughtering innocent women and children in Palestine for years now with the public cheering on, they have started an unprovoked war with Iran by bombing a school killing 150 little girls. This is just a tiny sample of Israel’s recent crimes. Is it any wonder the world has little sympathy for them? About the same amount that we had for the Nazis after all of their war crimes. Get fucked Israel, go eat several bags of dicks.
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Only good nazi is a dead nazi. A decade from now I’ll be making a toast to the heroes who finally shot back at isreal.
Won’t SOMEBODY think of the genociders???
Or alternatively “You are too mean to the fascists.”
I’d rather Iran be killing soldiers than innocent too, but I understand why people can’t get but feel this way at this point. There’s been literally zero justice against Israel, and it’s so extreme what they’ve gotten away with, that I fully understand the schnaudenfreude many will be feeling at seeing Israel seeing any form of repercussions at this point.
That a overwhelming majority of the population isn’t strongly against their government doesn’t help either.
So while you do have a point, it would kind of be like trying to shame lgbtq+ people for being happy an apartment in Berlin got bombed during WW2… Especially considering we are essentially in WW3, in great part started by Israel, who is also currently trying another genocide run in Lebanon now.
I wish it happened another way (say, by the missile hitting its intended target), but in general it’s a good thing for Israelis to know they’re not invincible.
Why? Because fuck them, thats why.
You find it weird people are cheering for an evil country getting bombed?
Because they’re Israeli? And a large majority of Isrealis support whats being done to Iran? If you’re a Jew who still chooses to live there then its your own fucking fault if you get killed. They have literally EVERY opportunity in the world to leave their colonial paradise.
You could say the same about the United States could you not? News flash: relocation when your broke in a shit, war ravaged economy is difficult to put it mildly.
I don’t think the US should exist either. If a settler colonial state exists it should be put down like the diseased rabid dog it is. That includes Israel, America, and Canada. The only acceptable terms for settlers is relinquishing control to the original inhabitants of the land.
USians on Reddit kept blabbering for four years how “all decent Russians left Russia, only supporters of Putin and the war are still there”. So it must be pretty easy, just need to get on the plane and fly away.
Yes, one can hope that one day americans get exactly the sort of treatment they have done on the world.
Punishing a whole country for the actions of a few elites is a bit steep. If you think the average American wants half of what’s going on, you’ve fallen victim to propaganda. Do better. By your logic we should have commit genocide after WW2 to make sure the Nazis were even stevens with the Jews. That eye for an eye thinking will make the whole world blind.
Look, if a nation sends aid to another in a time of need then it should get help when it is in need. If a nation sends bombs it is only fair that it gets bombed. The usa is not some magical outsider immune to the consequences of their own actions.
And to bring up the Jews with what is currently going on is kinda finny. israel exists due partly to the genocide in WWII and apparently you think that Germany was not bombed the everliving fuck out of. Do you know of the Dresden bombings, it was also a genocide.
Punishing a whole nation for what their leaders have that nation do is very much the standard, if that nation does not want that then there is always resistance or revolution.
If half of the Americans actually voted against this crap it wouldn’t happen. They didn’t and so they’re at fault.
And the other half that did vote, and starkly against all that–where does their culpability lie?
Well it’s way less than half that voted against trump. The percentage of eligible voters that actually vote in the U.S. is pathetic.
But yes, sucks for those that voted against it. But their (much lesser) culpability is not not striking, protesting, campaigning, etc. If they’re doing all that, then I’m sure they’re just as pissed off at the rest of Americans so they wouldn’t mind my generalization.
65.3% of voters voted in 2024. Thats higher than the UK or Ireland, and its not even a national holiday to do it. Its close to par with Canada.
So I call BS on your post.
Many of us are doing those things, but that is beside my point. I am more referring to the notion that civilians deserve the hell of warfare, particularly when policies they personally voted for are what led there.
I believe this sort of “give them what they deserve” thinking is what allows our leaders to even wage war at all, and without it, there would be little to no public appetite for warfare.
I find it helps me to remember that even the most violent and rabid constituencies are voting based on a concerted multi-billion dollar constant misinformation campaign, and holding them responsible for their position in that scenario is blaming the victim. The people that are callous to the other side and cheer on bloodshed were programmed daily for many years to behave in that manner. Rather than kill them or wish for their death, we can work to dismantle the apparatus that took our friends, neighbors, and family members from us and turned them into those ghouls. I believe most will return to sanity on their own if the spigot of falsehoods stops.
Small problem, I have done nothing to anybody, why should I be bombed? Are you actually this ignorant? I thought society had moved past this trash
“Don’t blame me I voted for kodos.” You can stick your head in the sand if you like but it does not change the facts. Did any civilian getting bombed have a different situation? Why are you so special that you think your nation gets to bomb but not be bombed back?
if you pay taxes you help build bombs.
It’s also literally the only place in the world were Jews are relatively safe when it comes to general antisemitism from within the society. I get why they don’t leave. Besides that there are still protests against the government and against the war. People don’t want to give up and fight for a better future of Israel and Palestine.
That’s blatant propaganda meant to excuse an apartheid state. Jews are as safe in any western country as they are in Israel. I’ve known many and I garuntee you they don’t get anywhere the level of danger and hate the average trans person gets on a day to day basis.
Anecdotal evidence. That is blatantly downplaying the danger of increasing antisemitism and playing off minorities against each other.
Because they want this, they just don’t want it aimed at them.
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The USA’s first target in Iran was a school for girls.
The USA’s first target was to kill civilians.
If you’re cheering the the USA in any of this, you’re cheering for death. No one is defending what the Iranian government has done to their civilians. But it’s not the USA’s job to be the world police, bomb little girls trying to get an education, tank the global oil economy, and send their own citizens to die in an illegal war.
Maybe take a step back. I’m queer, married to a trans person. Palestine doesn’t support me or my right to live. I don’t care I would prefer to take the higher ground in thinking Palestinians deserve a right to live.
Iran was uprising over their own government. Now they don’t have power, food is limited, and their govenment is still killing them while the USA bombs their schools.
Fucking great alternative.
Just to put the scale of this into context, the strike on the girl’s school wasn’t the first thing they did, those three strikes were among the first 700 strikes carried out on day one (1200 in the first 36 hours).
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thanks for calling me a fuckwit really made my day ❤️
Try asking the guy to criticise Israel for all the civilians they’ve killed and you may find that it’s actually not that easy, which is strange, right?
Same. But people want to feel righteous I guess and celebrating civilian victims is an outlet for that.
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Full support for you. Cheering for killed civilians should not be tolerated.
It’s amazing how quickly leftists support was crimes so long as the victims are “the right people”.
I’m also amazed at how quickly you blame leftists based on one person’s comment that gave no indication that they are a leftist.
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So you’re making assumptions based on your flawed and biased experience instead of factual data. Got it. I expected that given the quality of comment you provided above.
😂
I assume everything you say is only the highest of quality peer-reviewed science too.
No, I simply recognise what I perceive may not be the same as reality and would double check my assumptions before posting any comment so I do less mistakes. I especially do not proudly proclaim that my comments lack any research whatsoever and that I’m completely fine with it like you are doing.
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Checking if the person I’m accusing of being a leftist is a leftist first before posting the comment is not pretending to do research, it’s simply common sense.
You somehow think that making comments involves either peer-reviewed science or zero research at all and nothing in between. You also seem to be proud of not double-checking your assumptions at all. From these two observations, I can tell that you have a few issues up there that needs to be addressed.
“Trust me bro” is neither an acceptable source nor an acceptable form of birth control…though it appears to be working for the women nearest you.
OMG dude. 🤣
lol fuck right off with this shit.
Are the leftists in the room with you right now?
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I suppose I don’t really know why I engage with willfully ignorant dumbasses. It’s just that it feels wrong to leave the really fucking stupidly wrong comments with no reply. I know it won’t break through the ignorance. They’re living in their own little alternate reality, ignoring everything that doesn’t fit into their little constructed worldview, attacking everyone who is actually trying to make the world a better place.
But I guess it makes me feel better to speak up against the stupidity, even though it’s useless. Because if we don’t, these idiots will dominate the conversation and it will end up with more people going down that path.
It’s like the anecdote of the bar where the guy is at the bar having a drink. Another guy walks in, goes up to the bar and orders a drink. Bartender tells him to get out. New guy says, “Hey, I just want to have a drink and relax, man.” Bartender has none of it, tells him to get out and never come back. New guy leaves, and our original guy asks the bartender about it, to which the bartender replies: “That guy had a swastika tattoo. He was a nazi. And the thing is, he probably would have been polite and had a drink and maybe even made friendly conversation. But the thing about nazis: Once he realized he was allowed here, he’d start bringing his other nazi friends. Once you let one of them in and stay, you become a nazi bar.”
It’s a little glurgy, and maybe it never happened or maybe it’s happened a hundred times… that’s the thing about anecdotes like that.
But the underlying principle is sound.
If we let these fucking fascists take over the conversation, soon this place will be no better than /r/the_donald or /r/conservative or Truth Social or any of the other places fascists congregate.
So I guess that’s why I speak up.
But I don’t really try to change their stupid opinions, because there’s no fucking point. All I really would like to see is for them to shut the fuck up and stop pissing all over the conversation.
They made themselves the right people with the genocide they support. 5 years ago it was a different story. But 100,000+ Palestinians later, I have no sympathy for Israelis. FAFO
Just like republicans. Why do you find that weird?
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Maybe not - though the anti-Israel stance of most / many leftist certainly seems to be getting pretty rabid. And the person I called a ‘leftist’ didn’t dispute that claim.