Especially the fucking troops. This is so blatantly transparent the US is making false claims about Venezuela. Any soldier who goes along with it and “follows orders” is a willing accomplice. There’s no justifying your participation in these war crimes. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who damages Venezuelan property or causes harm to Venezuelan people is fucking scum deserving to get sent to the Hague.
But no. Americans will wag their fingers at Trump while “supporting the troops” who made the decision to kill innocent people. Americans are so detached and isolated from the violence of our military it all becomes an abstract force of nature, something that just happens, instead of people capable of telling right from wrong and choosing to do wrong.
Vietnam vets didn’t get spat on but they should have and so should any troops who decide the Nuremberg Defense is what they’ll use after ransacking Venezuela.
Assuming a full-scale military intervention in Venezuela doesn’t end in a decisive U.S. victory within two days (kind of expecting it considering the never-ending stream of bad news and U.S. victories), I hope that at least thousands of U.S. troops end up getting butchered, maimed, and traumatized.
Yeah, that’s what I want to believe. It makes sense, but I keep getting sucker-punched by life so much I can’t put faith into anything that “sounds” reasonable anymore
Edit: Like “here are all the points in Venezuela’s favor” and then the invasion begins and suddenly all of that just evaporates overnight after everything.
I don’t see how the US has any viable options other than bombings. Anything else has such high risks I doubt they’d attempt it. Bombing is plenty bad enough obviously, but seems unlikely to achieve their goals.
I get that. Since Syria fell, it’s hard to have hope in anyone standing against the US and it’s allies. And there are more US puppets in South America than there are allies of Venezuela and Colombia.
The problem is that Venezuela doesn’t have a bordering country willing to smuggle weapons to guerillas like Vietnam had, so American naval blockade would cut off supplies and quickly strangle guerilla movements to manageable levels.
Much more likely to be a jungle version of Afghanistan. They may get the government out initially, but there will be a prolonged insurgency afterwards that I do not believe they can win.
Will still be horrible for Venezuela and the left in South America in general. Even if the US doesn’t get their preferred stooge in charge, and it’s some random anti-American warlord, if it’s not a communist or socialist, that would suck.
it’s not treats, it’s brain broken yearning for treats “if only we did le institutionalism, we could live like americans” no you can’t, institutionalism for you is selling yourself out, institutionalism for west is buying you. (and live like americans is tv shows of 2-5 million homes, not trailer parks somehow)
(there is something to be said about using raw material gains to provide immediate relief (via fuel subsidies) as in bolivia or venezuela, instead of permanent fixed capital, to make stuff and reduce import dependency, but that’s another matter entirely)
The violence of course bothers me but what bothers me even more is how people see this and continue worshipping the west because of fucking treats.
Especially the fucking troops. This is so blatantly transparent the US is making false claims about Venezuela. Any soldier who goes along with it and “follows orders” is a willing accomplice. There’s no justifying your participation in these war crimes. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who damages Venezuelan property or causes harm to Venezuelan people is fucking scum deserving to get sent to the Hague.
But no. Americans will wag their fingers at Trump while “supporting the troops” who made the decision to kill innocent people. Americans are so detached and isolated from the violence of our military it all becomes an abstract force of nature, something that just happens, instead of people capable of telling right from wrong and choosing to do wrong.
Vietnam vets didn’t get spat on but they should have and so should any troops who decide the Nuremberg Defense is what they’ll use after ransacking Venezuela.
Assuming a full-scale military intervention in Venezuela doesn’t end in a decisive U.S. victory within two days (kind of expecting it considering the never-ending stream of bad news and U.S. victories), I hope that at least thousands of U.S. troops end up getting butchered, maimed, and traumatized.
It would be an unbelievable disaster of a guerrilla war that would never end. Mountainous, forested terrain full of armed and trained militiamen.
Yeah, that’s what I want to believe. It makes sense, but I keep getting sucker-punched by life so much I can’t put faith into anything that “sounds” reasonable anymore
Edit: Like “here are all the points in Venezuela’s favor” and then the invasion begins and suddenly all of that just evaporates overnight after everything.
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I don’t see how the US has any viable options other than bombings. Anything else has such high risks I doubt they’d attempt it. Bombing is plenty bad enough obviously, but seems unlikely to achieve their goals.
I get that. Since Syria fell, it’s hard to have hope in anyone standing against the US and it’s allies. And there are more US puppets in South America than there are allies of Venezuela and Colombia.
others have already chimed in but I just want to say that Operation Timber Sycamore was a 13 year project
The problem is that Venezuela doesn’t have a bordering country willing to smuggle weapons to guerillas like Vietnam had, so American naval blockade would cut off supplies and quickly strangle guerilla movements to manageable levels.
The border with Colombia isn’t going to be shut down, even if the Colombian government was interested in that, which rn it definitely isn’t
Colombia is a “major non-NATO ally” and its military is insanely right-wing. I don’t think it can be counted on.
Colombia has a weak military and a long, rugged border.
Will we see a repeat of Bolívar’s march through the mountains as they fight the fascist American occupation?
I hope you are right.
Much more likely to be a jungle version of Afghanistan. They may get the government out initially, but there will be a prolonged insurgency afterwards that I do not believe they can win.
Will still be horrible for Venezuela and the left in South America in general. Even if the US doesn’t get their preferred stooge in charge, and it’s some random anti-American warlord, if it’s not a communist or socialist, that would suck.
Oh absolutely it will suck. There will be 10-20 years of insurgency suck.
it’s not treats, it’s brain broken yearning for treats “if only we did le institutionalism, we could live like americans” no you can’t, institutionalism for you is selling yourself out, institutionalism for west is buying you. (and live like americans is tv shows of 2-5 million homes, not trailer parks somehow)
(there is something to be said about using raw material gains to provide immediate relief (via fuel subsidies) as in bolivia or venezuela, instead of permanent fixed capital, to make stuff and reduce import dependency, but that’s another matter entirely)