Doesn’t look good!!

Edit: Saw a closeup, he’s 💯 dead. Jugular shot and it gushes like the Cool-Aid man shattered.

Edit 2: Fox is apparently reporting that he’s admitted to the hospital, maybe he’s a snowball that survived hell?

Edit 3: Mixed reporting on if the shooter has been arrested or not. A video showed an old bald white dude in custody.

Edit 4: Trump just had to be the one to announce it… He’s dead. Apparently the old white dude was not the shooter. You can see from the distant video that people did not react to a close shooter, it was at distance.

  • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    77·
    2 days ago

    There will be a right wing backlash to this but whatever backlash occurs will be far smaller than the harm he would’ve caused in the many decades of his life he would’ve had.

    This has given rise to a thought. The anti-adventurism reasoning I often hear is “think of the many decades of your life you could be contributing to the revolution that you’re throwing away”. But what everyone misses in that argument is that it should also be weighed against the forces of fascism that are taken off the board as well. Would this shooter have contributed to the left in the next 40 years what the late Charlie would’ve contributed to the right in the next 40 years? I can’t answer that because I do not know who this shooter was, but I can say Charlie would’ve done a lot.

    • WildWeezing420 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      27·
      2 days ago

      Bit of a “great man” reading of history though. Some other propagandist chud will step up to take his place. The void will be filled. Charlie Kirk only was as famous as he was because he was satisfying an existing demand.

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        22·
        2 days ago

        As competent though? As skilled?

        Nigel Farage in the UK has been forged through 40+ years of functioning as a crypto-fascist. Replacing the skillset that makes some of these fascists effective is not as simple as just bringing on the next guy in line.

        Materialists do not disbelieve that great men exist, but that the conditions of the time created them and that without their existence other people would have been forged under the same circumstances. But what I am getting at here is that this is not an instantaneous process. You think if Bannon dies tomorrow someone else will just replace him? I do not. The man has been forged through decades and decades filling a niche that someone else will have to fill AND acquire the same experience before meeting the same standard he has.

        Look at the competent ghouls like Kissinger vs the incompetent ghouls that currently exist. Do any of them hold a candle to him as a competent monster? No. Not really.

        The death of ghouls creates holes that take many decades to fill effectively again.

    • Comrade_Mushroom [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      17·
      2 days ago

      I don’t want people to die. My ideal solution would be disallowing someone to be able to do what Charlie Kirk and his fatal-misinformation-propagating-ilk do in the first place. I see something like this happening as just yet another consequence of our deeply sick society.

      But Charlie Kirk undeniably caused many deaths by spreading the kinds of toxic misinformation he did. And it certainly does hurt me deep in my core to watch people like him degrade and damage society without repercussions. Every day I mourn for the humanity that could be, if the Charlie Kirks of the world were not permitted to drag us all down. So hearing that he got blasted… some part of me does feel some degree of… not happiness or satisfaction, but more like… relief. Relief that someone that hurts us all, that makes countless lives measurably worse and ends other lives, was met with proportionate retaliation.

      • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        12·
        2 days ago

        I don’t want people to die.

        You lost me here every time a fascist dies my mind becomes more unburdened. If this happened every day itd be the best therapy.

    • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      92·
      2 days ago

      This is a silly argument because the damage this will do to anyone left of Reagan will be without exaggeration orders of magnitude greater than the functional end of the life of the shooter. This will be a Reichstag fire.

        • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          Trump was only actually shot at once. The other two times the would-be shooters were apprehended before they had a chance to shoot.

          Besides the fact that all of those shootings (that were shootings) clearly did make things worse and are now rallying cries for contemporary fascist efforts, you’re missing something important: None of these shootings killed or even seriously wounded someone the establishment cares about. Trump got a scratch and the other shooters killed nobodies. Kirk was someone who personally had Trump’s ear and literally wasn’t folded into the administration formally mainly because he was (imo correctly) estimated to be more valuable to them where he was in ““independent media,”” where he was the golden boy of the conservative think tank circuit, backed by many billionaires and companies, and now he’s been killed on a college campus in broad daylight in view of multiple cameras while on tour doing his “political speaking” (reactionary sophistry), specifically while concern-trolling about shooting done by minorities.

          The only major reason to think this might not produce a catastrophe, and a major factor in the Trump shooting not being bigger, is that there’s a good chance that the shooter is a white Republican (in this case a boomer, even). That might be enough to diffuse their efforts. But we saw how the (actually detrans) “trans shooter” from before produced a push for ridiculous measures against civil liberties. If the shooter isn’t who the early reports indicated (or even if they are but are a Dem, queer, or something else), this is going to have serious repercussions.