So apparently for lemmy.world mods pointing out that the word “anti-semite” is far more used than "antigypsyism, anti-Romanyism, antiziganism, ziganophobia, or Romaphobia” even though the Nazis targetted both Jews and Roma in the Holocaust, is, somehow, “Criticizing Jewish people as a whole”.
Or maybe it’s the whole “I don’t care about any one specific race, I care about people and think it’s always unjusct when people are treated differently based on things they were born with, such as race” that was deemed “Criticizing Jewish people as a whole”.
Good old lemmy.world: they were called on it repeatedly so eventually walked back on the whole “criticizing Israel is anti-semitic” but apparently if you don’t go along with the view that racism against a very specific group is much worse than racism against people from other groups, then you must be against that specific ethnic group.
My comment in text for reference:
All clearly as frequently used as “anti-semitism” /s
And yeah, I don’t care about race, any race, I care about people, which includes that they’re not unjustly treated for things that were not their choice, such as the race they were born into.
It’s Racists who feel the need to care about a race or races, defending things for some races which they do noit defend for others, doing little performances about how others must care about those races too and that those who don’t “are against those races” - for them race comes first, defining a person and dictating how they should be treated.
For Humanists race is something that should be of as little importance to how somebody is treated as the color of their eyes or how tall they are, and yet they see again and again race weponized by Racists to treat people differently even though those people haven’t actually earned such treatment through their actions: in other words race fro Humanists is something that should be irrelevant yet has been turned by others into a pivot for injustice.
It’s pretty obvious from your little performance which one you are
As soon as the Zionist supremacists infiltrated and subverted this specific fight against Racial Discriminations, it was always going to turn into yelling at each other since their “arguments” don’t work in the logical plane so they have to move the discussion to the emotional place, were they can use things such as Fear to really rally the masses whilst avoiding getting people thinking about it.
It’s not by chance that they keep pulling out events from the Holocaust, 80 years ago, (and, worse, even whilst they themselves are committing a new Holocaust) to stoke Fear in some and Guilt in others, so that they indirectly get support thanks to the “criticizing Israel is anti-semitism” link they themselves created.
In all this, out comes a lemmy.world mod (a place which has a History of supporting Zionist Israel) using censorship and accusing somebody of being “Against the Race” when they dispute the balance between harm caused by anti-semitism and resources demanded to fight it in light of far more harmful and widespread forms of Racial Discrimination getting way less attention, EXACTLY as supremacists do (for example, the KKK when their claims of “attacks on Whites” are challenged, almost invariably end up accusing those critics of being “against Whites”).
All this said, and to more directly address your point in your post, my objective with bring all this here was to raise awareness to such techniques and ideally get more people to come at things from a Humanist viewpoint of harm reduction to people rather than going along with the Racist viewpoint that it’s races being harmed and that different judgment and treatment should be given to people of different races (even if the entry form into the Racist viewpoint is often a Racism disguised as “benevolent” - i.e. favoring specific races rather than disfavoring specific races).
Every person I convert to Humanism is one less person that falls into the trap of “benevolent” Racism (and either on the path to malevolent Racism, or easily manipulated by malevolent Racists) and this then gets reflected in the real World outside.
Humanists too fight against Discrimination (more broadly, against unjust treatment of people, especially harming them), only it’s anchored in Principles about Natural Justice, and looking at and treating everybody who was born into an ethnic group (through no choice of theirs) the same, either better or worse than otherwise, isn’t Just.
Yeah, I’d say the humanist perspective can’t be wrong. I personally think we should add some Rationalist arguments and especially something like ideas from Effective Altruism. Wanting to convince someone on the internet of your perspective regularly has little effect on the world (in itself). And all the yelling really makes my head hurt. Some of it leads to people digging even deeper trenches and they spend all their day focused on some weird rigid ideas and details as if that was the issue. And that’s the predominant way of talking about the subject.
It’s not. The issue is that people suffer and die. And that needs to stop. And we need to find a way to address it.
I’d expect you to become subject to wrong decisions by moderators. Because they deal with agitated people all day and they’re likely biased into thinking you’re just another one of the dozens of people they deal with each day.
And there is a lot of confusion and accusations. I’ve been on the receiving end of that as well. Though I rarely engage in the discussion. I welcome the effort to use reason, though. And do something to stop all the yelling and start going somewhere. It’s not easy. And all the things are connected.