Tucker Carlson has alleged that Benjamin Netanyahu is urging Donald Trump to consider a nuclear strike on Iran, but his claims lack independent evidence or official confirmation.
This it what drives me about the left. The average leftist is much less informed about stuff like this than people on the right.
It’s like people on the left went from being super politically active and informed to casual observer while the right flipped.
I keep seeing comments like this on leftists spaces where people have no idea what the fuck is going on meanwhile rightwing spaces are 8 layers deep in conspiracy but it’s all based on actual informative stuff that’s happening, it’s just twisted to suit themselves. The left is super cooked even if they start securing wins. People on the left just don’t have the ability to do what past generations could. They don’t like conflict. They want to do disengage and forget about it all during a time when maximum attention is required.
I like that. But I’m not wrong. Compare any left wing comment section to a right wing one when a new event occurs and you’ll see it.
Just look at people here. It’s passive engagent. The right are actively engaged. Hell just look up content alone. Theirs is much more creative the left is more generic and what has it produced lately? The right have all kinds of IP? Not sure if that’s the right word but it’s all owned by the right like pepe and such. The left just isn’t producing they’re consuming. Deny it all you want. Argue because you’re on the left, never thought about it and jus want to react. But I’m right.
You can’t possibly believe that conservatives, who by definition have to believe lies like trickle down economics and how trans people are responsible for gas price hikes rather than a war in the middle east, are more informed than the left.
Absolutely I can. And I know it is. If you want information and you start going to left and right spaces I will guarantee the right wing space will be more informative in real time. The left catches up way after. But there is no insight from the left until the right wing spaces back the story.
Yeah I think in the most charitable reading of Melvin’s comments he’s saying that cons are more broadly “aware” of issues in general because fox and the like broadcast a wide net of garbage they should be angry about, even if virtually everything they say about the issues are lies.
But the question is that if (eg) the name of some random congress critter is on the right’s radar that the left hasn’t really heard much about, and what they think they know is that she drinks baby blood in pizza basements fortnightly, what exactly do they “know” vs never having heard of her in the first place?
But yea you’re charitable understanding is right. I don’t think the average right winger has some logical or morally correct or deep understanding. But they have been exposed to more stories and views and frames on these events.
I know people have experienced what I’m about to say, we all have. You go to have a conversation and you start saying some topics and all of a sudden you’re hearing things from the right winger you had no idea was even happening. They know the points on the left but the people on the left aren’t aware of their points. I don’t just mean “abortions are murder” what I mean is stuff like “Trump just moved 2000 soldiers to Botswana after Biden failed attempt at securing the region back in 2008 operation freedoms puppies that he spearheaded” and you look it up and the details are accurate, the frame is hack but the details are accurate.
It isn’t fox news I’m speaking about. But even they have programs that provide information and views that are important to political discussions but you don’t here them. The right are informed on the lefts talking points. The left are not informed on the rights and the constantly catch the left off guard lately
In my opinion the conservative one is more informative. For lemmy the very first comment I see is just wrong.
Suspended Sentence though, so it’s really just a slap on the wrist
Then the rest of the comments are just repeating the same shit about “10 years is a long time” and “10 years isn’t a long time”
The conservative forum are a mix of people discussing the actual case and evidence and debating. The lemmy one is a series of people in agreement all saying the same thing without much new information and mostly just opinions about how they feel.
I do this is often with different stories and the right wing spaces are starting to be my go to for information whereas left wing spaces are not cutting it anymore. The idea that the left are more aware was something I think exists decades ago. I suspect the playing field has evened out if not totally reversed.
I can see what you are getting at, although that is not a great example. Based off the comments I am seeing there’s a lot of dumb and predictable nonsense in that Reddit thread, I really hope you aren’t finding any of that to be informative or genuinely thoughtful. I disagree with how you characterize this phenomenon, but I do agree that something has changed over the past few decades that’s resulted in it becoming noticeably easier to encounter leftists who are misinformed, and/or blinded by motivated reasoning, and/or driven by emotion.
It’s like you people on the left are just brainwashed. Yes bots are a part of it. You think bots are cheap? It’s a numbers game. Every one should be out there over whelming every bot and right wing voice. Everyone should give them no quarter anywhere. The algorithms can only take them so far unless we decided to all of a sudden collectively give up so out spaces at a time that it mattered the most.
They convinced all of you to leave all the spaces so they could cheaply and effortlessly take over. Now they are infecting every single popular space with only their views and you all pat yourself on the back that you think I’m the idiot for pointing it out. It doesn’t matter if it’s bots or not. They are still more informed and better networked. You are less informed and way less networked. You’re on a website one of the only leftist spaces left that is built to be a snuff box. A website that took every corporate control reddit ever implemented and recreated it. A website that took every mematic theory and built itself purposefully to act like a foil to those ideas. They put all of you in a snuff box.
My point is that you wrote paragraphs of text but all you said was “leftists aren’t as informed as people on the right”. And you just said that over and over like 3 different times.
I get that you’re trying to troll people but come on man, you can do better.
I’m talking about Tucker Carlson specifically. This is a person with a history of lying and deceiving for profit. A person I’m better off not listening to even when they are crying wolf.
What I’m not talking about are vague amalgamations of millions of people.
This it what drives me about the left. The average leftist is much less informed about stuff like this than people on the right.
It’s like people on the left went from being super politically active and informed to casual observer while the right flipped.
I keep seeing comments like this on leftists spaces where people have no idea what the fuck is going on meanwhile rightwing spaces are 8 layers deep in conspiracy but it’s all based on actual informative stuff that’s happening, it’s just twisted to suit themselves. The left is super cooked even if they start securing wins. People on the left just don’t have the ability to do what past generations could. They don’t like conflict. They want to do disengage and forget about it all during a time when maximum attention is required.
fucking lol
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I agree with you.
fucking also lol
I like that. But I’m not wrong. Compare any left wing comment section to a right wing one when a new event occurs and you’ll see it.
Just look at people here. It’s passive engagent. The right are actively engaged. Hell just look up content alone. Theirs is much more creative the left is more generic and what has it produced lately? The right have all kinds of IP? Not sure if that’s the right word but it’s all owned by the right like pepe and such. The left just isn’t producing they’re consuming. Deny it all you want. Argue because you’re on the left, never thought about it and jus want to react. But I’m right.
You can’t possibly believe that conservatives, who by definition have to believe lies like trickle down economics and how trans people are responsible for gas price hikes rather than a war in the middle east, are more informed than the left.
Absolutely I can. And I know it is. If you want information and you start going to left and right spaces I will guarantee the right wing space will be more informative in real time. The left catches up way after. But there is no insight from the left until the right wing spaces back the story.
Alright man I’ll bite. Please link me some of these con spaces that get to the truth of a breaking news story before the left.
It makes sense if you’re trying to explain why a MAGA would immediately believe something without evidence.
Yeah I think in the most charitable reading of Melvin’s comments he’s saying that cons are more broadly “aware” of issues in general because fox and the like broadcast a wide net of garbage they should be angry about, even if virtually everything they say about the issues are lies.
But the question is that if (eg) the name of some random congress critter is on the right’s radar that the left hasn’t really heard much about, and what they think they know is that she drinks baby blood in pizza basements fortnightly, what exactly do they “know” vs never having heard of her in the first place?
I wrote here first so I’ll just link to it here.
But yea you’re charitable understanding is right. I don’t think the average right winger has some logical or morally correct or deep understanding. But they have been exposed to more stories and views and frames on these events.
I know people have experienced what I’m about to say, we all have. You go to have a conversation and you start saying some topics and all of a sudden you’re hearing things from the right winger you had no idea was even happening. They know the points on the left but the people on the left aren’t aware of their points. I don’t just mean “abortions are murder” what I mean is stuff like “Trump just moved 2000 soldiers to Botswana after Biden failed attempt at securing the region back in 2008 operation freedoms puppies that he spearheaded” and you look it up and the details are accurate, the frame is hack but the details are accurate.
https://lemmy.world/comment/26784901
Yes, Fox News spins lies before the truth is known. The fact that you are proud of that says everything.
It isn’t fox news I’m speaking about. But even they have programs that provide information and views that are important to political discussions but you don’t here them. The right are informed on the lefts talking points. The left are not informed on the rights and the constantly catch the left off guard lately
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Can you give some examples? What spaces? What kind of information?
Just first one I picked. Compare this
https://lemmy.world/post/54197566
To this
https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1xrxdg7/russell_brand_sentenced_to_105_years_in_prison/
In my opinion the conservative one is more informative. For lemmy the very first comment I see is just wrong.
Then the rest of the comments are just repeating the same shit about “10 years is a long time” and “10 years isn’t a long time”
The conservative forum are a mix of people discussing the actual case and evidence and debating. The lemmy one is a series of people in agreement all saying the same thing without much new information and mostly just opinions about how they feel.
I do this is often with different stories and the right wing spaces are starting to be my go to for information whereas left wing spaces are not cutting it anymore. The idea that the left are more aware was something I think exists decades ago. I suspect the playing field has evened out if not totally reversed.
I can see what you are getting at, although that is not a great example. Based off the comments I am seeing there’s a lot of dumb and predictable nonsense in that Reddit thread, I really hope you aren’t finding any of that to be informative or genuinely thoughtful. I disagree with how you characterize this phenomenon, but I do agree that something has changed over the past few decades that’s resulted in it becoming noticeably easier to encounter leftists who are misinformed, and/or blinded by motivated reasoning, and/or driven by emotion.
Dude you’re giving the right credit for BOTS.
That’s the engagement you’re talking about: right-wing bots driving the conversation toward the talking points the fascists want to use.
Brilliant, brosef. Fucking brilliant. Come back later and incorrectly mansplain some more shit to us. This is fun!!!
It’s like you people on the left are just brainwashed. Yes bots are a part of it. You think bots are cheap? It’s a numbers game. Every one should be out there over whelming every bot and right wing voice. Everyone should give them no quarter anywhere. The algorithms can only take them so far unless we decided to all of a sudden collectively give up so out spaces at a time that it mattered the most.
They convinced all of you to leave all the spaces so they could cheaply and effortlessly take over. Now they are infecting every single popular space with only their views and you all pat yourself on the back that you think I’m the idiot for pointing it out. It doesn’t matter if it’s bots or not. They are still more informed and better networked. You are less informed and way less networked. You’re on a website one of the only leftist spaces left that is built to be a snuff box. A website that took every corporate control reddit ever implemented and recreated it. A website that took every mematic theory and built itself purposefully to act like a foil to those ideas. They put all of you in a snuff box.
Thats a whole lot of words to say nothing at all.
You don’t even have a point to make.
They made more of a point than you did
My point is that you wrote paragraphs of text but all you said was “leftists aren’t as informed as people on the right”. And you just said that over and over like 3 different times.
I get that you’re trying to troll people but come on man, you can do better.
Tucker is not a leftist. Everything you said makes absolutely no sense in this regard.
I’m talking about Tucker Carlson specifically. This is a person with a history of lying and deceiving for profit. A person I’m better off not listening to even when they are crying wolf.
What I’m not talking about are vague amalgamations of millions of people.