I was banned for supporting the right of people in eastern Ukraine for not wishing to be part of the state banning their language and doing g pogroms not just against Russians bot Jews and Roma people for 12 years prior to the Russian intervention.
Tanuki was banned just for posting a video of civilians being kidnapped off the street to be forced into a war they know is a lost cause.
If this is what you call Anarchism I am ashamed of you.
I regret nothing. And how is being opposed to a Russian war of aggression being pro-State? I don’t accept your framing of the situation.
Pro Ukrainian state. It’s quite clear. And the “Russian aggression” only began after over a decade of people in Donbas having their own attempts at self determination met with brutal retaliation and repression.
Gotta have some real tortured logic to say “free state of Ukraine” follow it up with the Banderite slogan “slava Ukraini” and then pretend not to be throwing in pn the side profile the fascists.
Also my accusations of antisemitism are not “thinly veiled” I am literally telling you that since 2014 Azov and other elements of Ukrainian state forces have literally doing pogroms against not just ethnic Russians in the east, but Roma and Jews all over the country for over 12 years now. If you deny it, I just assume you’re a fascist.
Also Unruffled you have a very long history of fascist apologizing so you really are only helping prove my point here.
In all the time I’ve known @flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com, I don’t recall ever hearing them utter a pro-Ukrainian slogan of any kind. This is just utter nonsense and an outright lie.
They have to lie about Unruffled because they have nothing else.
Someone in this thread did.
What does that have to do with Unruffled?
Unruffled is the one that banned me. But they did not address any of the true things that I or Tanuki said. This is a well established pattern with this particular mod.
“Unruffled said this”
“No they didn’t”
“Well someone else did”
Top minds hard at work from Hexbear. As always, you’re just upset you aren’t allowed to spread Russian propaganda talking points on our instance.
To reframe this, my pattern of behavior can be more accurately described as not getting into pointless debates with tankies, in order to keep the peace. That is a well established pattern of behavior I am ok with being called out for. HB came into an anarchist community and started all this tankie bullshit, not me.
But Hexbear insulted you, said you did things you didn’t do, and then attacked you for defending yourself. Left unity is when you let them lie about anarchists.
But don’t you dare link to crimes the USSR did. Or say China isn’t a utopia.
why would they need to defend things that somebody else said? that’s dumb as fuck.
None of this makes any sense. I they are just upset they aren’t allowed to spread Russian propaganda talking points on our instance. Why? Who knows. Nothing has changed in that respect since day one. It’s just pointless drama farming I guess.
Pro the invaded is another way of looking at it.
What are you even talking about?
I think you are replying to the wrong person.
Yes I’m a huge fascist, you caught me!
This implies that the universe somehow spontaneously came into being the day Russian forces entered Ukraine.
They were in a civil war… Do you think that if a civil war broke out in Mexico that the US would have been there WAY sooner than Russia did in this case?
The Civil war in Ukraine started with Crimea wanting to leave because of the rapid Nazification of the Ukrainian government. That is why they overwhelmingly voted on a referendum to separate and the only way to do so without being genocided was to join the RF.
Then the Nazi faction of the Ukrainian right basically consolidated power and kept doing pogroms and indiscriminately shelling the east as Donbas followed suit. This only escalated the conflict and proved that there was a re-emergence of the Banderite movement that collaborated with the Nazis in WWII. The slogan “Slava Ukaraini” was one of their most known chants.
I am not Pro-Russia. I recognize the right of self determination of all people, and that does not put me in a position to criticize them when they can take support from whoever possible in the face of Nazism and Imperialism.
I do not criticize Iran for being aligned with Russia for the purpose of their survival. I do not criticize any state for seeking aid from yet another enemy of the US empire for assistance no matter how flawed that state may be.
LOL
An invasion is not self-determination though. And surely nobody with half a brain buys the idea that the Russians weren’t doing everything they could to incite and/or exacerbate problem in these regions to provide a useful pretext for the invasion. Including sending Russian neo-nazis to the region. It’s so fucking obvious it barely needs pointing out, but since you have your blinkers on.
Yep, that’s the current notion of what “critical” support looks like. We don’t do that here. Sometime the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy.
It’s amazing how Hexbear says you’re a fascist for not supporting Russia, while .world says we’re all Tankies for not supporting the Democrats.
Everyone’s a critic, that’s no lie. It’s frustrating being an anarchist when the folks who should be your natural allies are mostly rabid campists.
this is not an either/or situation. because you lack the imagination to envision a third option without ether state, does not have anything to do with anyone else. that is your own shortcoming.
ukraine is a region. a free ukraine does not mean one controlled by a state. that is not freedom. also, at no point did @flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com say that.
it is funny you should mention that. since 2014 the russian imperial movement, a neo-nazi monarchist movement in russia has deployed militia to ukraine with the sanction of the russian government. a fact very conveniently left out of pro-russian leftists arguments. moth wonders why that is.
What a surprise that one of the fediverse’s most prominent fascists is here to defend fascism once again
Please point to what Unruffled says or promotes that is a fascist. Go on.
Lol you folks are too funny.
What a surprise red fash are out brigading again.
Brigading is when you comment on posts that show up in your feed, and the more correct your take the more brigading it is
How odd that it is only ever HexBear having posts show up in their feed.
If brigading was so simple, I’d be expecting every other instance to act the same yet that never seems to be the case.
??? You’re posting here not from hexbear. What the fuck are you talking about “only hexbear”
I never said every single post here is from HexBear. I said it’s only ever HexBear that brigades.
Everyone knows you do this shit, it’s the hallmark of your instance. No other instance has this reputation or can ever be found flocking a post en masse to circlejerk yourself as you do.
You literally said “it is only ever Hexbear having posts show up in their feed”
How did you get here if the post didn’t show up in your feed? Are you brigading?
This is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. Since “brigading” has no actual definition and is solely defined as “that thing that Hexbear does that I don’t like” then of course Hexbear is the only instance that does it.
We’re literally just a very active instance which doesn’t have downvotes so disagreements always create comments. That’s the entire thing. This “brigading” conspiracy theory is unfounded and silly.
You have 80 more active users compared to dbzer0. Yet on the entire Fediverse only you are known for this, and you have upvotes which you always upvote every HB post in a thread.
You can deny it all you want, everyone else knows you do it. Your opinion as the perpetrator doesn’t matter.
I don’t buy the brigading claims either to be fair. It’s only natural to jump to the defense of your comrades. So this is really a nothing-burger. How about we just accept there are some differences in the ideology between our two instances and move on, like normal people?
If your confusion is the result of an unfamiliarity with the counternarratives (rather than mere disagreement) and you have a genuine curiosity, then the first fifteen-and-a-half minutes of this documentary serve as a good summary
You deserved it. Stop simping for a group that would have you shot.
“”““Anarchist””“” collaboration with national bourgeois for the defense of the nation state is literally being pro-State https://barbaria.net/2023/06/02/revolutionary-deafitism-and-its-enemies/ (or if you’re allergic to marxism, look at this article by Italian anarchists https://www.federazioneanarchica.org/archivio/archivio_2022/20220722manifestonowar_en.html)
It doesn’t matter if one side is the aggressor and another is the defender, they’re both fighting to further their national interests, protect their private property while sending proles that they brutalize daily into a meatgrinder. Both sides are capitalist states, both are imperialist by definition.
Though to be fair, this isn’t the hexbear position for they’re on the side of “”“Russian anti-imperialism”“” (don’t laugh!) and opposition to the west/nato, or in other words supporting a non-western imperialist in prole slaughter
Since when?
Since forever if you’re not a braindead militarist liberal larping communism/anarchism.
Nation states aren’t “the people”, they’re a dictatorship of the national bourgeois whose main interest is growth of their national capital and wealth. This necessarily presupposes exploitation and brutalization of workers. During an imperialist war, both the attackers and defenders send their workers to slaughter each other, all for the defense of the aforementioned capital and national bourgeois.
Only the privileged entitle themselves to arrogantly float above it all in the way you do, Clyde.
No they aren’t… but, despite all your comfortable abstractions, they are still filled with “the people.” And to those people the distinction between attacker and defender most definitely does matter.
Well, exactly. All states are a form of oppression. But when two states are duking it out at the expense of their citizens, then I’m still inclined to assign more blame to the invading state, especially when folks try to paint the Russians as “liberators” at the same time they are firing missiles at civilian targets and committing war crimes.
Imo there should be no apologia for authoritarian states by anarchists. Russia started this war, and is at least equally responsible for inflaming the situation in those regions prior to invading. The idea they just went in to “liberate” russian speakers is laughable statist propaganda… It’s like the US claiming they “liberated” Venezuela or Iran. And while I support self determination, this isn’t what that looks like.
I don’t feel it’s necessary to list all the ways in which Ukraine is also a shitty state, since hb has done a good job of itemizing them. Maybe turn that critical lens back on Russia now, hb folks, and we might have some progress.