The post in question
Ah yes, Lemmy, so popular with kids it competes with Roblox for the pervs attention
Whenever I go to the store, I see at least 4 or 5 kids begging their parents to let them have an account.
I kind of just assumed everyone on these boards was 3-6 years old. Are they not?
Only mentally.
Sexuality??? “Likes to hold hands/be married with girls and/or boys” is not “sexual” and little kids can quite easily get that.
Seriously, is a kid with straight married parents not allowed to know their parents are married/like each other??? Tf
I sometimes worry that the straight, cis folks aint right :/
These days, both the straights and the straits are not OK.
You are correct that I’m not right, but just for different reasons.
Speaking as a cishet, we mostly aren’t right but most of us are wrong in better ways 😉
Yeah, I’ve often thought we were a bit off. Ask someone why they are against gay people and they almost always find a way to be bothered by what’s going on in the bedroom. But if you start asking them about their heterosexual bedroom activities they clam up and seem offended that you asked. And they still don’t get why they are wrong
Scrolling through the community quickly, there were like 3 jokes mentioning a husband’s wife, one mentioning a car’s manual transmission stalling, and one that’s over a week old that includes the word "ass’ which is directly breaking the no-profanity rule, yet somehow the concept of a gay couple is too confusing for a 6 year old? Oh and also a joke about “Cherenkov radiation” which I am 1000% confident no 6 year old on earth has ever heard of.
PTB
Maybe people should be reporting those other posts mentioning heterosexual couples to make a point.
You know what they say: Alex and Philip don’t make Robert
Well now you’ve done it. You’re going to get removed for being racist.
Fair enough! Wish the mod was weighing in here at least then.
I’d tag them, but de-anonymizing (sp?) mods is against the rules of YPTB 🤷🏻
I hate so much when sections of Lemmy moderate as if they still have corporate masters to answer to and advertiser-friendliness to worry about.
On further discovery, that doesn’t seem to be the case with this particular decision but generally?
Oh really? I missed that rule, I thought it was just using admin powers to reveal them was the no no. There’s only one mod of that community.
There’s only one mod of that community.
Hence why I’d be able to know who to tag without being an admin myself 😁
I’m pretty sure that we’re not supposed to mention even the most guessable identity if it’s not in the modlog entry, though 🤷🏻
That’s wild when the first posting guideline is
Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
Seems like that’s a tricky path to walk when posting here.
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com Any chance we could get clarification on the naming of PTB mods here? @unruffled@anarchist.nexus
One of the posting guidelines is literally:
Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
So, if OP already figured it out, then I think it’s fine to mention. But I’m actually not 100% sure why there is a rule against deobfuscating the modlog in the first place. I’m typically for more transparency rather than less. I think @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com would have written the original rule, so I’m sure he can explain it better than me :)
Maybe people should be reporting those other posts mentioning heterosexual couples to make a point.
Mods would just ban people for pointing out the posts or comments breaking rules rather than addressing the issues being reported
I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek with that comment honestly.
Lemmy.world not beating the allegations again.
Its the joys of how hard it is to convey sarcasm on the internet 😂.
Favorite removal reason from world is making too many reports so deleting instantly rather than locking
Mods have responded in other threads. Good response and taking a look at the rules.
My kid knew about gay people from the day he was born. PTB for sure.
PTB?
Power Tripping Bastard :)
What does that mean? Most babies have a pretty limited understanding of the world. 😅
I’m queer and he has family members that are LGBT+. He’s known of our existence forever. He has seen his grandfathers kissing since his very start. He’s seen me dating other women. It’s just normal.
Babies can’t see any shapes at all for a while:
https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/baby-vision-development-first-year
I kind of get what you’re saying, but the idea that a newborn baby would even understand anything more than, “this person smells good and makes nice sounds” is probably a stretch. 😊
I was using exaggeration to make a point. You’re being pedantic.
That point is that gay and bi people are normal. My kid grew up with his mother as a queer woman. It’s normal and not something that needs to be gatekept for children.
Pedantry is great for influencing people and making new friends.
I mean, op didn’t say they were a square or a triangle so they should be good with their baby being able to see them.
I’m assuming they are gay and have a child.
Mod posted a response: https://lemmy.world/post/52564578
I have recently received some feedback about including sexuality as a topic for dad jokes. Although it was not the most constructive of feedback, some points were made. Sex as a topic is not the same as sexuality, and I apologize for not making that distinction clearer. I was basing my moderating on what was being reported and sex being a topic as understood for children closer to puberty, although sexuality such as LGBTQ+ parents/partners/people can be understood much earlier. While I stand by still keeping actual sexual themes (anatomy, sex positions, etc.) as an off-limits topic for the community, sexuality seems reasonable to include.
This community is not static; I want to do my best to maintain a place that can grow with the community while staying true as a place for humor in a world that has plenty of unpleasant things. I am not a bot, and am indeed a person that is open to having respectful discussions.
Tell me what you think should and should not be included as “off limits topics.” Should profanity be allowed, or possibly only certain words? Are there other suggestions you have? I will try to look at the common themes from any feedback and apply them over the next two weeks or so.
As far as mod responses go, that’s pretty dang good. For as much as we complain about bad mods we should applaud the good.
Fully agree. It’s a great example of how to respond to criticism constructively. The Piefed developers should take notes, lol.
I posted a response in the thread 🙂
rare admission of guilt.
hopefully that community learns to read reports, and the actual contents before hitting the «Remove Post/Comment»Generally, I find communicating with the reported on gets better intersection and solidarity than outright deletion. (Good faith moderation vs Report->Remove)
This person believes in abstinence
Also, did they unban the post? Or is this just damage control?
Sex as a topic is not the same as sexuality
So much willful ignorance around this by people who just want to virtue signal to their peers.
That is a fantastic response. Bravo. Stuff like that is what keeps us from becoming another Reddit shit hole.
Equating gay/bi people with sex and therefore inappropriate for children is a tactic of bigotry. The same argument was used to say that it’s wrong for Mr. Ratburn to get married on Arthur, despite the episode being completely innocuous, or for any of the lgbtq characters in Steven Universe to exist. It’s literally an argument to exclude queer people from society.
Same reason why showing gay relationships or drag on TV makes “christians” go nuts. They equate it to adult sexual behavior in order to silence it and keep it away from “family communities.”
Only american christians really. In the UK it really isn’t a problem.
The concept of “Dad” is too complex for children, and implies (at its core) the act of sex.
We should ban the concept of “Dad” from all forms that could be seen by children.
Ptb. That the mod doesn’t understand the difference between romantic and sexual attraction says a lot about them as a person. It says even more that they expect the jokes to be understandable by a 5yo.
On the bright side, this is Lemmy! Anyone can make a new Dad Jokes community that doesn’t have that stupid rule.
Another one of the bigots who think mentioning anything not straight is both sexual and political - PTB
What’s everyone so upset about? Clearly, the 3-6 year-olds on Lemmy have been protected!
…from knowledge about the existence of gay and/or bi people.
How many 3-6 year olds could there possibly be using Lemmy??
3-6
And they’re a year old? Damn, they learned FAST
If I were you (which I am) I would know for sure it’s at least 2
PTB, obviously.
I’m going to say that’s not a dad joke, but it’s fucking hilarious. That said, the stated reason for removing it is idiotic.
Wtf? 10000% PTB.
All you have to do to illustrate how stupid this removal is, is to imagine this couple also has a kid, whom this joke is told infront of.
Spoilers: The kid likely isn’t going to get it, in the same way that many many kids cartoons make reference based jokes and quips, and even mildly raunchy jokes that kids also do not understand… unless the context has already been previously explained to them.
Thats the point, thats how they work as jokes, you need the context otherwise its meaningless.
Then the other part of the joke is you get it while the kid doesn’t, the joke landing two different ways at the same time makes you feel more knowledgable, that joke is for you, the parent/guardian, so the show is fun for you too.
Even if there were 3-6 yo lemmy users… the logic for removing this still doesn’t actually make sense.
Part of the cleverness of the joke is that it is indecipherable to a kid that doesn’t understand sex or sexuality… it thus doesn’t ‘expose’ kids to anything they don’t already understand.
Also, I’m not sure where the 3-6 year old comes in in the first place. The best “dad jokes” are something that a teenager would groan at. Little kids don’t understand shitty puns either, and those are the best.
not to mention, dads can still dad-joke with their adult children!
And more over, if the child would want explanation and go to it’s guardian for explanation, it would be a perfect opportunity to explain these things. Relying on he education system to explain it to them when they are 15 is just bad parenting.
Exactly.
The paradigm this sets up is that the parent/guardian has the opporunity to make their own response to a kid asking about it.
I’ll tell you when you’re older
or
Well timmy, some girls like boys, some boys like girls… etc
Its a delicate topic, theres no one size fits all solution for all different kids, and giving the parent/guardian the responsibility and ability to direct how that goes is far superior to just a censor deciding no children nor parents are capable of handling this.
Split on this. The assumption 5 year olds couldn’t get this joke because its funny to be in a gay marriage but not yourself gay seems bigoted. Kids could get that just as easily as jokes about straight couples. At the same time rule says no jokes with death or sex. PTB I.M.O.
Edit: On reflection placing sexuality in the category with drugs, death, and racism seems rough
sex.
It’s not talking about sex though. Gay and bi people existing within a marriage has nothing to do with sex.
Or even sexuality really, because, once you actually raise your knowledge beyond “basic biology”, it becomes eerily obvious that romantic attraction and sexual attraction aren’t always in sync.
But regardless of that, why the fuck would you moderate an ONLINE FORUM based on what 3-5 year olds understand? They don’t understand taxes, are tax jokes banned? They don’t know how to drive, are road rage dad jokes off the list too?
The more I think about this, the more this mod can suck my clit. Am I supposed to disappear because I’m a bisexual person married with a kid? Am I supposed to not exist around my child because I might make a joke about being bisexual? Am I supposed to hide my own bisexuality until my kid is a teenager?
What the fuck is this gatekeeping?
This is your typical “I’m not homophobic, I don’t mind gay people, but” person. They don’t “mind” gay/bi/lesbian/trans/queer people existing as long as they do it without them needing to acknowledge that existence.
Or to simplify it… they ARE homophobic, but because of current social trends they’re not allowed to say it out loud and they don’t want to get cancelled.
Exactly, have a guy at work like this, claims hes not homophobic but went on a full on rant about his 8-9 year old kid seeing two guys kissing/making out in front of his flat, I even tried to make him see the homophobia by asking if he would have cared if it was a guy and girl and he confirmed it was mainly about it being two guys…some people.
Gay people existing is political type.
Didn’t you get the memo? Anyone not cis, hetero and following gendered stereotypes should never be in the same room as a kid or teen. /s
I agree with the other commenter: it’s finely veiled bigotry.
married with a kid
Hey, you dropped this:
,Married with a kid is different than married to a kid haha, but thank you.
I’m once again annoyed that the default term became homo”sexuality,” and not homoromanticism, because A) why the fuck does anyone who’s not an immediate prospect need to know about anyone’s sexuality? B) the phoneme sexuality implies… sexuality, so it just gives a bunch of bad faith motherfuckers ammunition; C) most of the time it’s actually referring to homoromanticism; and D) even when it’s not, the majority of people would describe a homosexual and heteroromantic person as straight (or closeted :[ ).
linguist here. you mean «homoeros» (ὁμόερoσ) “samelove” (Greek), not “man/mankind romance” (as opposed to “anserromantic” gooselover) (Latinus)
Fellow linguist here. I did get it wrong, but I meant heteroromanticism, which is an existing term because I’m not a prescriptivist :)
not a prescriptivist
ok amelatinæ
Call me what you want, that’s your business 🤷
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lon tenpo seme la ni li sona, li toki pakala?
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At what time is it comprehension, and ramblings?
You’re right. I was flattening sexual/romantic attraction and being overly loose with what qualifies discussing sex. I dont agree with the rule and will avoid the comm if that doesnt get amended, but my go to first standard in this comm is “was this mod action even in the rules” before I get to “should it be in the rules”
There is no law forcing sex and marriage to be intertwined, its just an assumption since they normally do. This joke mentions nothing about sex in the marriage, just a play on which genders each in the marriage are attracted to.since most people forget bi people exist
Yeah, Bi myself so I very much appreciate the joke. I just also try to give a berth for people to set whatever rules for a community. Not a rule I like or will accept to continue participating, but if the rule was just plainly “No X” and “X” gets posted I wouldn’t necessarily fault the mod for enforcing the rules as they were, just wouldnt want to be in their comm.
As someone that got called gay all the time in literally kindergarten as a form of bullying, yes kids know what gay/straight are. Fuck Lemmy.world. Nazi bar ass instance.
I
think its fine to thinkagree that kids don’t need to know about sexuality until puberty, but enforcing that really comes down to someone’s own parenting.It’s not a good reason to remove the pic related meme, which is completely neutral and pushing no agenda, on a forum ostensibly for adults, such as our own.
Kids not knowing about sexuality and therefor the absolute basics of consent only helps child abusers, and the earlier you ingrain the concept of consent, the better off they will be later in life.
Basic knowledge about this thematic complex has to be introduced in the first few school years to make sure they
- know when somethings iffy, because all child abusers tell their victims that this is ok and completely normal
- know who to talk to in case of abuse, which must per definition include basic knowledge of what abuse entails in age-adapted language.
Hiding these basic facts about life itself only makes bigots feel better and child abusers very happy.
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Absolutely true. Not what I was thinking of in terms of sexuality, but I guess I knew what I was getting into when I made a vague statement
So you wanted to say kids do not need to know that there are people out there that do not conform to the mom/dad scheme, even when taking sex explicitly out of the equation? This is probably even worse, because it makes you as bigoted as the mod this thread is about.
Ragebait
So then, go ahead and say what you really really meant, but i ensure you that extrapolating from what you uttered until now that you are probably only going to dig your grave deeper.
Words which mean nothing … grandstanding… political psychosis
I agree, we need to ban all hetero representation so children don’t see it.
No more talks about moms and dads, ban any hetero couples from interacting together in public spaces, remove them from all media.
Sure is weird how for some reason people never mean this when they say kids shouldn’t be taught about sexuality 🤔
~~They are probably projecting hard. I had a few situations where gay people were hitting on me, which made me feel uncomfortable - not because i care that someone else is gay, but because i absolutely do not find men attractive and have self-confidence issues making it difficult to say no, especially in a bar (edit: not a gay bar) where everyone is already somewhat drunk. ~~
~~I can absolutely understand that some men might have similar issues, where the thought of hooking up with another man simply feels icky. Difference is: do i let that feeling cloud my judgement in general or am i mature enough to separate those things? These people are still stuck in high school from a development standpoint, and thats both sad and dangerous. ~~
Edit: I was wrong, see my other comment.
I have to rescind my previous comment. In this specific case we are dealing with someone who uses the same playbook as the fascists, probably because they are one on top of being a homophobe, see my comment comment chain with @finjaminpoach@lemmy.world above. He isn’t even doing the part great where he plays with language, probably because of being an uneducated redneck.
Do we know what mod made this very homophobic decision, because I would like to know that they’ve been banned for this.
