I’m absolutely willing to believe she was assaulted,removedd, and trafficked. Calling it a ritual is farfetched to say the least and smacks of antisemitic conspiracy theories. She specifically mentions rituals to make her forget. Those don’t exist. Never have, never will. I’m not going to entertain that from an “NGO” that is literally a glorified facebook group, according to their own website.
As far as I can tell, the survivors themselves are the ones claiming there were rituals, not the article author (or the NGO, per the edit). We should definitely be cautious about antisemitic conspiracy theories, but my understanding is that this is an Israeli publication quoting the words of survivors who have come forward publicly, which I think lends this some credibility.
Yes, I recognize that they are quoting a few of these survivors, but that’s also the entire angle of the article. I’m not sure I’d say how much credibility the jerusalem post has to offer, but your point is valid.
I’m slightly confused by your comment. Who’s making it into or making it sound like an antisemtic conspiracy theory? The victims or the Jerusalem Post? Or was your point something else I’m missing? (Not trying to argue, just genuinely not sure I’m understanding what you mean)
The victims are claiming ritual abuse a la q anon/protocols/satanic panic. While I absolutely believe they were trafficked, I think it is unlikely there were any actual “rituals”, to say the least.
This is a nation that has soldiers routinely pose with assaulted women’s clothes, widespread TikTok dances in occupied zones, brags about raping prisoners, has street parades chanting about dismembered children, has intelligence operatives to get blackmail material or create it.
You might as well be saying “Vader wouldn’t condone this”. I trust what you find likely or unlikely far less than multiple victims. Ritual only means that it was made in a very specific way and as a matter of routine initiation or passage.
In a society that seems to value blackmail as a sort of social MAD, this wouldn’t surprise me in the least. Gladio already did shit like that and the CIA taught Mossad whatever Mossad didn’t teach back to them.
The direct quote about the ritual is that its supposed to magically make them forget the abuse, it was not just a routine or passage. No, I don’t believe isreali politicians and cops are doing q anon. They’re trafficking people, certainly. I think everyone can agree on that. But this isn’t tv. Nobody is doing sex abuse magic. Nobody is attempting it.
They never said magic. They said it was a ritual which, again, you’re deliberately putting mystical shit where there isn’t any. They did mention drugs and torture, which the CIA and their bastard child Mossad aren’t shy to use.
You brought up MKultra, which was abandoned after they figured out that it doesn’t fuckin work. If you think they’re trying it again but this time with ritual ceremonies, I dunno what to tell you dude.
I’d just like to point out from outside this discussion that you are saying that the reason you disbelieve the testimony of a CSA survivor, on the topic of the vile abuse they suffered, is that it doesn’t give the abusers enough credit.
They said that the abusers had practices around the abuse made deliberately outlandish to make testimony not believable, that they were made to participate in the abuse of others, that there were attempts to make them forget and that drugs were involved.
There’s no mention of magic. Not content with undermining other Jewish victims testimony, now you’re making shit up. To what end?
That’s a pretty disingenuous read of my comment.
I’m absolutely willing to believe she was assaulted,removedd, and trafficked. Calling it a ritual is farfetched to say the least and smacks of antisemitic conspiracy theories. She specifically mentions rituals to make her forget. Those don’t exist. Never have, never will. I’m not going to entertain that from an “NGO” that is literally a glorified facebook group, according to their own website.
As far as I can tell, the survivors themselves are the ones claiming there were rituals, not the article author (or the NGO, per the edit). We should definitely be cautious about antisemitic conspiracy theories, but my understanding is that this is an Israeli publication quoting the words of survivors who have come forward publicly, which I think lends this some credibility.
Yes, I recognize that they are quoting a few of these survivors, but that’s also the entire angle of the article. I’m not sure I’d say how much credibility the jerusalem post has to offer, but your point is valid.
I’m slightly confused by your comment. Who’s making it into or making it sound like an antisemtic conspiracy theory? The victims or the Jerusalem Post? Or was your point something else I’m missing? (Not trying to argue, just genuinely not sure I’m understanding what you mean)
The victims are claiming ritual abuse a la q anon/protocols/satanic panic. While I absolutely believe they were trafficked, I think it is unlikely there were any actual “rituals”, to say the least.
This is a nation that has soldiers routinely pose with assaulted women’s clothes, widespread TikTok dances in occupied zones, brags about raping prisoners, has street parades chanting about dismembered children, has intelligence operatives to get blackmail material or create it.
You might as well be saying “Vader wouldn’t condone this”. I trust what you find likely or unlikely far less than multiple victims. Ritual only means that it was made in a very specific way and as a matter of routine initiation or passage.
In a society that seems to value blackmail as a sort of social MAD, this wouldn’t surprise me in the least. Gladio already did shit like that and the CIA taught Mossad whatever Mossad didn’t teach back to them.
The direct quote about the ritual is that its supposed to magically make them forget the abuse, it was not just a routine or passage. No, I don’t believe isreali politicians and cops are doing q anon. They’re trafficking people, certainly. I think everyone can agree on that. But this isn’t tv. Nobody is doing sex abuse magic. Nobody is attempting it.
They never said magic. They said it was a ritual which, again, you’re deliberately putting mystical shit where there isn’t any. They did mention drugs and torture, which the CIA and their bastard child Mossad aren’t shy to use.
This kind of reads like hasbara.
You brought up MKultra, which was abandoned after they figured out that it doesn’t fuckin work. If you think they’re trying it again but this time with ritual ceremonies, I dunno what to tell you dude.
I’d just like to point out from outside this discussion that you are saying that the reason you disbelieve the testimony of a CSA survivor, on the topic of the vile abuse they suffered, is that it doesn’t give the abusers enough credit.
Not at all what I said, but thanks for the tip
It doesn’t work as means to do mind control. It can render somebody regressive and nonverbal, though. There’s sadly plenty of evidence for that.
why do you think you know the details of what they went through better than they do?
Why do I think ritualistic sex abuse that has magic to make people forget what was done to them didn’t happen? That’s your question?
They never said the word “magic”. That’s all you.
They said that the abusers had practices around the abuse made deliberately outlandish to make testimony not believable, that they were made to participate in the abuse of others, that there were attempts to make them forget and that drugs were involved.
There’s no mention of magic. Not content with undermining other Jewish victims testimony, now you’re making shit up. To what end?
Good luck to you out there.
Gotcha, cheers.