• Arancello@aussie.zone
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    28 days ago

    No is the simple answer. But voting and elections are not going to fix the problems the usa has created for itself. Its not just drumpf.

    • EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world
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      27 days ago

      Dems don’t want to sell that reality. They want to whip up their base to vote harder so that they can squander another supermajority on something dumb, like giving Israel more arms to genocide. Then Israel re-initiates the Iran war so that the can Dems can be in charge of losing.

  • SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
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    27 days ago

    No.

    George W. Bush stood alongside Obama at the opening of the latter’s Presidential library instead of swinging from the gallows back in '08, which is what needed to happen if we were to save America.

    Instead, we’re fucked. The Dems ain’t listening.

  • Gates9@sh.itjust.works
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    27 days ago

    The Democratic Party is a honey trap to capture and neutralize progressive policies and politicians, and to make sure the “Overton Window” of American politics never moves left. The leadership runs cover for Republicans because they have the same donors and the same agenda. How many times do they need to invent some mechanism to allow them to steal defeat out of the jaws of victory for it to form a clear composite picture of collaboration?

    • terranoid@lemmy.cafe
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      27 days ago

      While I do think we know there’s some truth to all that, it’s clear voting matters otherwise the Republican party wouldn’t be trying to rig it every fucking chance they get, and the DNC wouldn’t have been going so apeshit over Bernie in 2016. He threatened the establishment and they had to attack their own constituents and call them Bernie bros to get things back “on track”.

      It’s not so black and white. There’s Democrat politicians who range from zero to one as controlled opposition, and as supporters of the establishment and the status quo. People are more complex than that. They have their own goals and some of them did not join politics just to make a buck, and some of them are just plain cowards or are too far separated from their constituents to realize what they want because they’re just surrounded by rich powerful fucks who don’t buy groceries.

    • Seleni@lemmy.world
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      27 days ago

      Maybe, but you’ll notice how the Republicans were able to take over their party and turn it into exactly what they wanted; a loony tunes racist circus. Don’t see why Democrats can’t do the same.

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          26 days ago

          Get enough platners and AOCs through primaries and the squad becomes a battalion. The Overton window will move if the people vote for it often enough.

          Just like how gay marriage tipped over 50% popularity and suddenly is became constitutional.

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      26 days ago

      I mean. They do pay them in the form of taxes. And also in the form of small donor donations to campaigns.

      In some campaigns the large donations from rich donors are more significant than the total from small dominoes, but that’s not always the case.

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        26 days ago

        While that is the case, this is just a kind of “basic income”, and just expected to be there. Contracts, nice trips, some extra cash, dinner invitations, etc, that are the nice and memorable cherries on top. And there is way more cherries here than ice cream and cream together.

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      26 days ago

      To be clear, for those reading, the DSA is structured as a party and could act as an independent party if necessary, but they mainly run candidates in democratic primaries as they recognize that doing so is a more practical way to win elections in the short term.

  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world
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    27 days ago

    The people how vote in primaries chooses the direction of the party.

    Look at the republicans they saw what the base wanted now they’re all loyal to MAGA.

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      27 days ago

      Except everyone doesnt have the opportunity to vote in primaries because this backwards ass country makes voting in general overly complicated/inconvenient on purpose.

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    26 days ago

    Not that I can tell. Establishment Dems do nothing but disappoint. How bad at your job do you have to be to lose to Trump?

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    26 days ago

    The Republican base is angry, too. Everybody’s angry.

    Our parties are not concerned, they are making a FORTUNE. Openly, they don’t even bother to hide it any longer.

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    27 days ago

    I’m surprised the magazine couldn’t find the answer. But of course it is a shill for lib views anyhow.