Voting for a lesser evil only legitimizes evil. I suppose it’s too much to ask for people to have principles though. Our childhood heroes would be ashamed of the adults we have become.
“We should all swear fealty to Saruman, because technically he’s less evil than Sauron.”
To be clear, I’m not talking about AOC, I think she has learned the error of her vote to fund the Iron Dome. But my point stands with regards to any corporate Dem.
This one issue voting stuff is a trap, it’s how the USA got where it is today.
thats … nuts. Issues arent all of equal importance.
School vouchers are not worth single issue voting. Nor is naming of a post office. But something like genocide support, or the civil rights act, or womens right to vote? Each of thsoe are 100% worth single issue voting. I say murder of innocents is important. You evidently …dont care.
If the dems want to run supporting AIPAC bribes again when 80% of the dem voters dont support the Israeli holocaust of Palestine, then the dems will lose again, and they will deserve to lose.
thats … BS. Issues arent all of equal importance which makes your statement nuts.
That’s not what they’re saying at all which makes your statement disingenuous. Why are you talking about naming post offices? It’s the idea is no single, one, issue should be enough to outweigh every single other one.
The people who didn’t vote Kamala to “protest” her on Isreal literally contributed to Trump getting elected. Making the original comment very accurate so it’s kinda wild you’re calling it “nuts”.
Is she really though? I know about her seeming to vote for “defensive weapons” during a MTG ammendment vote as part of a larger negotiation, but theres also this – so maybe she just flubbed the one vote:
Yeah, AOC’s record on Israel isn’t as good as Tlaib’s or Omar’s, but it’s still better than 95% of Democrats. Only an idiot or a liar would call her a Zionist because she didn’t vote for a symbolic amendment for a bill she voted against anyway.
Also, you’ll notice that the people who gleefully brand her a Zionist or a Neoliberal never have an alternative to tell you about. They’ll tell you why every promising progressive is actually an imperialist, or why the DSA are actually corporate shills, why no one is actually a real leftist, but they never have someone they actually want to get elected. They just want to say “no,” or at best, they demand, “next,” without doing any work to find that next person.
Most people saying that kind of thing don’t believe in electoralism at all. They don’t think voting is useful. They believe in a litany of other things as alternatives, specifics depend on the group and individual.
But I found most of the people in that camp also aren’t… doing any of the alternatives they like to suggest as meaningful. It’s more like excuses to not do anything, take a “holier than thou” position, or to avoid being associated with something that could fail.
Some anarchist groups actually do “mutual aid”, which is to say, charity work effectively. Which is commendable, but also, like, not a replacement for participating in the political system that currently exists.
YUP. I once had someone tell me that the educating people on Marxism was more important that voting, because giving more people an understanding of theory would bring about a post-capitalist society. Meaning, “actually, my internet arguments are very important.”
If you don’t believe in electoralism, fair enough. It’s certainly hasn’t been serving us well the last 40 years (and especially the last ten). But if you’re going to judge everyone that engages with the political process, then you better find something better to do: join a grocery co-op, organize a union, start a commune. If voting isn’t the answer, do something else. Something besides talking. (Anecdotally, I’ve found anarchists are more likely to do something community oriented, or at least risk getting their heads kicked in at a protest, than a lot of other leftists I’ve known).
More .world team sports.
AOC is a Zionist. Disqualified. Next?
Reality: if you don’t vote or waste your vote because you’re unwilling to make the better bad choice, you are part of the problem.
This one issue voting stuff is a trap, it’s how the USA got where it is today.
Stop knee-jerking and go do something useful.
Actually this lesser of two evils shit is how you got here.
Voting for a lesser evil only legitimizes evil. I suppose it’s too much to ask for people to have principles though. Our childhood heroes would be ashamed of the adults we have become.
“We should all swear fealty to Saruman, because technically he’s less evil than Sauron.”
To be clear, I’m not talking about AOC, I think she has learned the error of her vote to fund the Iron Dome. But my point stands with regards to any corporate Dem.
thats … nuts. Issues arent all of equal importance.
School vouchers are not worth single issue voting. Nor is naming of a post office. But something like genocide support, or the civil rights act, or womens right to vote? Each of thsoe are 100% worth single issue voting. I say murder of innocents is important. You evidently …dont care.
If the dems want to run supporting AIPAC bribes again when 80% of the dem voters dont support the Israeli holocaust of Palestine, then the dems will lose again, and they will deserve to lose.
That’s not what they’re saying at all which makes your statement disingenuous. Why are you talking about naming post offices? It’s the idea is no single, one, issue should be enough to outweigh every single other one.
The people who didn’t vote Kamala to “protest” her on Isreal literally contributed to Trump getting elected. Making the original comment very accurate so it’s kinda wild you’re calling it “nuts”.
Is she really though? I know about her seeming to vote for “defensive weapons” during a MTG ammendment vote as part of a larger negotiation, but theres also this – so maybe she just flubbed the one vote:
https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2026/04/dsa-forum-aoc-pledges-not-vote-any-military-aid-israel/412544/
Yeah, AOC’s record on Israel isn’t as good as Tlaib’s or Omar’s, but it’s still better than 95% of Democrats. Only an idiot or a liar would call her a Zionist because she didn’t vote for a symbolic amendment for a bill she voted against anyway.
Also, you’ll notice that the people who gleefully brand her a Zionist or a Neoliberal never have an alternative to tell you about. They’ll tell you why every promising progressive is actually an imperialist, or why the DSA are actually corporate shills, why no one is actually a real leftist, but they never have someone they actually want to get elected. They just want to say “no,” or at best, they demand, “next,” without doing any work to find that next person.
You named one - I’d gladly vote for Tlaib.
Most people saying that kind of thing don’t believe in electoralism at all. They don’t think voting is useful. They believe in a litany of other things as alternatives, specifics depend on the group and individual.
But I found most of the people in that camp also aren’t… doing any of the alternatives they like to suggest as meaningful. It’s more like excuses to not do anything, take a “holier than thou” position, or to avoid being associated with something that could fail.
Some anarchist groups actually do “mutual aid”, which is to say, charity work effectively. Which is commendable, but also, like, not a replacement for participating in the political system that currently exists.
YUP. I once had someone tell me that the educating people on Marxism was more important that voting, because giving more people an understanding of theory would bring about a post-capitalist society. Meaning, “actually, my internet arguments are very important.”
If you don’t believe in electoralism, fair enough. It’s certainly hasn’t been serving us well the last 40 years (and especially the last ten). But if you’re going to judge everyone that engages with the political process, then you better find something better to do: join a grocery co-op, organize a union, start a commune. If voting isn’t the answer, do something else. Something besides talking. (Anecdotally, I’ve found anarchists are more likely to do something community oriented, or at least risk getting their heads kicked in at a protest, than a lot of other leftists I’ve known).
Yes, AOC is a Zionist. She believes Israel has a right to exist.