You and I are reading that part you quoted very differently. I’m reading it to say that the actual Israel-born people are far lower, because this number includes others, presumably dual citizens.
Regardless, you have provided zero sources, and these are the closest I’ve seen, and the number is far lower than 50%.
I also wouldn’t personally include a dual citizen who has never lived in Israel. They allow any person of Jewish descent to apply for dual citizenship. It hardly makes you Israeli if you’ve never lived there, no matter what the paperwork says. I could write a document that says I’m a Moon person, but that doesn’t mean that I’m actually a person from the moon.
I also wouldn’t personally include a dual citizen who has never lived in Israel.
Statements like this make me think you’re operating from an undisclosed bias.
You wouldn’t even blink if I called them “American”. Your bias is especially suspicious when you close it with ridiculous statements like the following:
I could write a document that says I’m a Moon person, but that doesn’t mean that I’m actually a person from the moon.
We’re not talking about moon people, and we’re not talking about you. We’re talking about two sovereign governments recognizing an individual as a citizen of that country.
Americans are currently being treated as second class citizens within our own country as numerous U.S. politicians prioritize the interests and needs of Israelis. Dual citizens to Israel are participants in this egregious behavior whether they like it or not.
Statements like this make me think you’re operating from an undisclosed bias. You wouldn’t even blink if I called them “American”.
Because they live in America! If they’ve never lived in Israel, how are they Israeli? If you call someone a Russian who’s never stepped foot in Russia and their family isn’t from there then I’d call you crazy. Why does it change when it’s Israel?
Americans are currently being treated as second class citizens within our own country as numerous U.S. politicians prioritize the interests and needs of Israelis.
Yes, and I’m not sure how that’s relevant. If anything, it means we shouldn’t just accept the idea these people are Israeli. It gives influence to Israel they don’t deserve.
Again, you seem highly motivated to dismiss this without any apparent stake. What aren’t you telling me about your biases here?
My bias is in reality, not politic. Politics influence reality, but they are not reality. Again, I can make a document that says I’m a citizen of wherever I want. Does that make it true? Even if that government agrees with it, does that make it real?
If they aren’t part of the culture of that group (no, Israel culture does not equal judeism), how does it make sense to describe them as a member of that culture? If you actually immigrate to another country many of the people will never see you as fully a member of that culture, because you didn’t grow up immersed in it.
You continously saying “you’re biased” to not engage with what I’m saying is annoying. Everyone is biased. You’re biased to think that any claim of citizenship to Israel makes them actually a part of Israeli society. If you accept every claim every government makes then sure, they’re Israeli. If you think that they actually need to be a part of the culture, they aren’t. Governments agree on stuff all the time that the people don’t agree with. A government document doesn’t create reality.
You and I are reading that part you quoted very differently. I’m reading it to say that the actual Israel-born people are far lower, because this number includes others, presumably dual citizens.
Regardless, you have provided zero sources, and these are the closest I’ve seen, and the number is far lower than 50%.
I also wouldn’t personally include a dual citizen who has never lived in Israel. They allow any person of Jewish descent to apply for dual citizenship. It hardly makes you Israeli if you’ve never lived there, no matter what the paperwork says. I could write a document that says I’m a Moon person, but that doesn’t mean that I’m actually a person from the moon.
Statements like this make me think you’re operating from an undisclosed bias. You wouldn’t even blink if I called them “American”. Your bias is especially suspicious when you close it with ridiculous statements like the following:
We’re not talking about moon people, and we’re not talking about you. We’re talking about two sovereign governments recognizing an individual as a citizen of that country.
Americans are currently being treated as second class citizens within our own country as numerous U.S. politicians prioritize the interests and needs of Israelis. Dual citizens to Israel are participants in this egregious behavior whether they like it or not.
Because they live in America! If they’ve never lived in Israel, how are they Israeli? If you call someone a Russian who’s never stepped foot in Russia and their family isn’t from there then I’d call you crazy. Why does it change when it’s Israel?
Yes, and I’m not sure how that’s relevant. If anything, it means we shouldn’t just accept the idea these people are Israeli. It gives influence to Israel they don’t deserve.
Because they’re a citizen of Israel.
… Israel has direct control over who is Israeli.
Again, you seem highly motivated to dismiss this without any apparent stake. What aren’t you telling me about your biases here?
My bias is in reality, not politic. Politics influence reality, but they are not reality. Again, I can make a document that says I’m a citizen of wherever I want. Does that make it true? Even if that government agrees with it, does that make it real?
If they aren’t part of the culture of that group (no, Israel culture does not equal judeism), how does it make sense to describe them as a member of that culture? If you actually immigrate to another country many of the people will never see you as fully a member of that culture, because you didn’t grow up immersed in it.
You continously saying “you’re biased” to not engage with what I’m saying is annoying. Everyone is biased. You’re biased to think that any claim of citizenship to Israel makes them actually a part of Israeli society. If you accept every claim every government makes then sure, they’re Israeli. If you think that they actually need to be a part of the culture, they aren’t. Governments agree on stuff all the time that the people don’t agree with. A government document doesn’t create reality.