• WraithGear@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    i reject this stance. the same thing is said about a black president. and women make up 50 % of the vote base.

    especially since this is a talking point of operatives who seek a gender based wedge.

    and also moot when there were a lot of issues whith both women candidates who were the democrats primary candidates in the last few presidential elections. these issues supersede all other reasons. the internal reports point to the backing of a genocide and aligning with establishment democrats, the ultra wealthy, and her “tough on crime” stance that is by design targeting minorities.

    AND AND she lost by a narrow margin, male nominees have lost by FAR MORE then she did

    do not accept such arguments

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      22 hours ago

      Yeah rejecting it doesn’t make it false… Just because 50% of the voting base are women doesn’t mean they’re feminists. There’s a lot of internalized misogyny.

      Obama was a bridge too far for a ton of American voters and he was only a well educated light skinned black man… He still ticked all the other boxes for an American president. A female president is beyond the pale for a lot of Americans.

      The Democrats are welcome to deny reality, ignore candidate popularity during primaries, kill all other candidate potential, and then lose the presidency again and act confused about why that happened… I guess the big thing they have going for them is trump isn’t allowed to run a 3rd time so the trump cult candidate will be a weaker option compared to trump himself.

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        21 hours ago

        what makes it false is the idea that she lost because she was a woman.

        the numbers do not agree

        it is a sexiest point because it pushes the thought that democrats can not run female candidates if they want to win.

        this is provably false, even considering misogyny. and like i said, is sourced from political operatives looking for a wedge. misogyny is just not that influential.

        Harris was polling to win the election, up until the listed slights against the progressive base.

        you can see that even within the democratic party a push to reaffirm conservative power by reassigning failures of the party on such things like inclusiveness, sexism, racism, ect. they attempted to hide the result of their internal investigation that counters their talking points.

        it is also a thought terminating accusation with no one to blame and fights against progression in this regard. and should be shouted down when ever and where ever it crops up.

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          17 hours ago

          I don’t believe this either. Her polling was dead wrong up until the last minute, same with trump but the warning signs were there early. I don’t think it was reflecting reality so it’s a bad measuring stick for the situation. Also, don’t shoot the messenger here I’m not supporting this but it’s an important aspect of why she lost even if you disagree with me…

          Edit: I’m going to copy one of my other comments with sources below to support my argument, and why this should be brought up and identified.

          Here’s an article on what I’m talking about

          When voters are presented with evidence showing that women political candidates garner just as much support as men in U.S. general elections, voters’ intentions to support women presidential candidates increased by about 3 percentage points, the researchers’ data showed

          If they aren’t shown and it’s normalized that a candidate can garner just as much political support then it’s a headwind…

          There’s also the belief I’m talking about where people say a woman can’t win, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. It also comes down to advertising and education (which are hamstrung by mudslinging during elections)

          There are a lot of studies like this. I could go on for quite a while.

          There’s also a double bind racial bias where black female candidates are viewed as highly competent but unsuitable for a general election.

          We theorize that one driving force is a paradox among Democratic primary voters: namely, that Black women are seen both as more liberal and less electable. Using two different survey experiments, we show that, while most Democratic primary candidates benefit from perceptions of being more liberal, this cannot be said for Black women due to beliefs that they are less likely to win in the general election.

          These issues need to be:

          A) recognized as real.

          B) dealt with through education and normalization.

          Ironically your style of comment is undermining A and B by saying none of this is real, and shutting down any conversation about potentially fixing it…