Rimu published yet another hit piece against the /0 instance and this time posted it in his own instance comms as well. One of his mods jumped in, admitted they don’t know anything about anything, but nevertheless felt confident enough to state their opinion as fact and in the process insult all of us collectively, then stickied his opinion for good measure.

So I decided to reply sarcastically, at which point that mod insulted me and locked the thread, which is apparently a feature in piefed which simply hides/deletes further replies in that thread, but since it’s not a feature in lemmy, it appears to function like a shadow delete.

This is what my last reply would have been.

(Yes I’m being snarky, but that “I’m so mature” bullshit just rubs me the wrong way.)

In my opinion, using mod powers to get the last insult in, is just bastard behaviour.

  • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    361·
    10 days ago

    That “shadow lock” thing sounds like a terrible feature. I’m so annoyed too because I posted a real tear of a rant at that one dude suggesting everyone read Proudhon. Buddy, I have got opinions on that kind of thing.

    Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there’s some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.

    I’ve been on the net a very long time. I know what a Nazi infiltration looks like. It looks like the temperature on the board suddenly spiking, with huge arguments constantly breaking out that, somehow, magically, always start to turn towards topics that were “just asking questions” in ways to start etching and eroding the community standards. It starts by claiming everyone doing good moderation is a Zionist or a nazi, so they get kicked out and replaced by actual fascists.

    I’m not worried about dbzer0 falling. I’m afraid that piefed already has. It did appear rather quickly, offering a slew of features to get folks off Lemmy. Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPM
      25·
      10 days ago

      Well the good news is that your reply is still visible from our instance, so at least I get to enjoy it

    • Ferrous@lemmy.mlEnglish
      306·
      10 days ago

      I’m not worried about dbzer0 falling. I’m afraid that piefed already has.

      Piefed was created out of anti-communist ideology. It isn’t very surprising to me how compatible that page is with crypto-fascism and zionism.

      • null@piefed.nullspace.lolBanned from communityEnglish
        1021·
        10 days ago

        Piefed was created out of anti-communist ideology.

        It wasn’t.

        It isn’t very surprising to me how compatible that page is with crypto-fascism and zionism.

        “Anyone who doesn’t like communism is highly compatible with crypto-fascism and zionism”

        I wish I could view the world with a mindset this simple. Everything would be so much easier.

        • AzuranAurora@piefed.caEnglish
          5·
          9 days ago

          He also has no problem breaking said rules himself, and has straight up said that he doesn’t care when I called him out on it. Massive double standards.

      • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
        103·
        9 days ago

        I forgot about the time two months ago when Rimu hung out at the Nazi bar, and PJ convinced him that to dispute calling the 1932–33 famine a genocide is “genocide denial.”

         
        For pj & goat, “genocide denial” is their favorite card to play, like it’s some magic spell.

        I’ve never encountered rikudou@lemmings.world and have no idea what Rimu’s alt accounts are or were.

          • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
            93·
            8 days ago

            Real ones purpetuated by us: I sleep
            Fake ones levied against our enemies: real shit

        • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
          92·
          9 days ago

          jesus-christ

          yea

          I’ve never encountered rikudou@lemmings.world and have no idea what Rimu’s alt accounts are or were.

          to be clear i don’t think rikudou is the same person; they were just the admin of lemmings.world who also quit rather ignominiously after talking a big game in that screenshot

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPM
            7·
            8 days ago

            This is the only person who stepped up to make a frontend for the fediseer and has seemingly given up on the threadiverse which left the fediseer gui unmaintained :(

            And while I can stomach some uses of “degenerates” as it’s moved into generate parlance, this specific use-case by rikudou is particularly problematic to me as it harkens to its original usage.

            I really need to find a new fediseer GUI developer. One who’s actually active…

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          53·
          7 days ago

          For added context, seems Lemmy.blahaj.zone and feddit.org both permabanned me entirely from their instances at around the same time, despite me not going on their communities at all (except maybe one or two comments months ago). I believe it’s reasonable to assume that Rimu/PJ went to other instance admins about this, or instance admins on Feddit.org and Blahaj.zone decided to use out of context drama posting on a Nazi bar as a good judge of whether or not to permaban someone that doesn’t even post or comment on their instances.

    • thelastaxolotl [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      173·
      10 days ago

      Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there’s some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.

      You nerds are pretty much at conflict with lemmy.world/piefed because of the kaplan vs anarchistnexus, this is just a continuation of it

    • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      132·
      10 days ago

      Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?

      Not at all. Also wouldn’t surprise me if the people promoting piefed heavily weren’t doing it organically.

      • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        10·
        9 days ago

        No it’s a mechanism that locks only a comment thread instead of the whole post, meaning no replies can be made to the locked comment or it’s already existing replies. But the post itself can still be commented on, other comments can be replied to etc.

        This feature will be in lemmy 1.0 (the next big release) but since the current lemmy version doesn’t have it, a piefed instance can’t tell a lemmy instance “hey no more replies to this comment please”. So the commenters lemmy instance allows the reply, sends it to the piefed instance, the piefed instance silently rejects it (bc. of the lock) and doesn’t send it to the other servers federating. Since the commenter cannot be notified that the comment got rejected they would not know about it unless they look for their comment on the piefed instance.

        It’s not a malicious feature, but a technical limitation. The point of this post however is that even if the feature worked as intended on both instances, a mod replying to someone disagreeing and immediately making it impossible to reply to them further is “power tripping bastard” behaviour.

        • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
          73·
          9 days ago

          It’s not a malicious feature, but a technical limitation.

          Yes, and thank you for not assuming maliciousness at every turn.

          a mod replying to someone disagreeing and immediately making it impossible to reply to them further is “power tripping bastard” behaviour.

          :monkey-looking-away: Sometimes shitlibbery needs to be corrected without further “debate” on the matter.

          • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            8·
            9 days ago

            That is correct, however in this case it was a mod writing a long ass comment before assessing the situation, telling people to read an old book without clarifying how it relates to the situation and calling the people “wannabe-anarchists”. Then when the offended party gets upset about throws in a snarky one-liner before locking the thread. Which is distinct from telling some shitlib to put some effort into their research

    • null@piefed.nullspace.lolBanned from communityEnglish
      626·
      10 days ago

      Yeah, definitely sounds spooky when you call it a “shadow lock” weilded by a conspiratorial cabal of zionazi-crypto-fascists.

      I can only imagine it’s exhausting to view everything through such an extremist lens.

      • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        203·
        10 days ago

        I didnt suggest a “cabal”, please don’t put Nazi language in my mouth.

        I was also called spooky, kook, paranoid, and other X-Files derived insults way back before Ed Snowden proved the US government (and others) actually were spying on everyone and actually had infiltrated or partnered with every major tech company and several standards committees to ensure that emerging communication tech would be susceptible to centralization, subversion, and espionage.

        I’ll consider it a badge of honor to be called an extremist when the alternative is naively wandering into a propaganda mill.

        There have been multiple attempts recently to discredit our admins and justify unilateral defederation. That’s weird. When we’ve talked about defederating in the past, a governance thread is opened, the case is presented, and we vote on it.

        https://vger.to/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67198913

        This isn’t always true, we recently defederated from feddit.org through pure admin fiat, but an announcement thread was opened to explain why, and I never had the impression that the decision couldn’t be questioned or debated if someone felt strongly about it.

        Edit: my mistake, please see db0’s correction.

        And I’m not saying every instance must follow our rules or procedures, but db0 and the admins continue to impress me with how they run this ship and put into stark contrast how dictatorial and secretive the governance of most instances\forums is. I’m happy to not carry that responsibility, so I can act like a provocative extremist and try to shake people into thinking more critically.

        I’m also not necessarily trying to claim that Piefed and it’s instances are ops, I’m asking how would it look different if they were? Being guileless is not a protection against exploitation, quite the opposite in fact.

        • null@piefed.nullspace.lolBanned from communityEnglish
          314·
          10 days ago

          Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?

          A cabal is a group of people who are united in some close design, usually to promote their private views or interests in an ideology, a state, or another community, often by intrigue and usually without the knowledge of those who are outside their group.

          • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            142·
            10 days ago

            Etymology

            The term cabal is derived from Kabbalah (a word that has numerous spelling variations), the Jewish mystical interpretation of the Hebrew scripture (קַבָּלָה). In Hebrew, it means “received doctrine” or “tradition”, while in European culture (Christian Cabala, Hermetic Qabalah) it became associated with occult doctrine or a secret.

            • null@piefed.nullspace.lolBanned from communityEnglish
              213·
              10 days ago

              Okay…

              Anyways, my point is that you did indeed imply that Rimu might be part of “a group of people who are united in some close design, usually to promote their private views or interests in an ideology, a state, or another community, often by intrigue and usually without the knowledge of those who are outside their group.”

              • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                151·
                10 days ago

                My claim was that piefed development and instantiation could be influenced by state actors. If it wasn’t clear from my other response, I believe such a thing is possible because the state (specifically the United States of America via it’s clandestine spy agencies) has been documented as having done so before. Other countries, like China, Russia, and Isreal (and the USA) have all also been credibly accused of shaping public discourse with paid actors, bots, and various other accusations that get tossed around regularly. Creating chaos, destroying the ability to perceive any piece of information as being true or real, these are the goals of numerous agencies and actors.

                Rimu can just be an ideological patsy, they don’t have to be “in on it” if their behavior aligns with authoritarian goals naturally. That’s the basis of modern decentralized fascism: stochastic terror, disinformation, layers of control mediated by regulation and economics to isolate the decision makers from the soldiers.

                I don’t need to imagine a “cabal” when an open conspiracy of pedophile billionaires demonstrably rules the planet. The subtle shifting you made in my argument from those implied authoritarians to the language of “cabal” seeks to associate my argument with a fascist dog whistle for the secret Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. It’s the same as if you’d claimed I was implying that Rimu is a “globalist.” Those words mean more than just their definitions taken from the first paragraph of Wikipedia.

          • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
            161·
            10 days ago

            Yes I actually did, and you conflated two completely separate claims into one. What the user you were replying to said was:

            That “shadow lock” thing sounds like a terrible feature. […]

            And later…

            Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there’s some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.

            And you came back with:

            Yeah, definitely sounds spooky when you call it a “shadow lock” weilded by a conspiratorial cabal of zionazi-crypto-fascists.

            Which is completely misrepresenting what the user was actually saying.