If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn’t.
I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
Yeah. I have a lot of problems with Kamala The Cop. But she lost what might be the final election in American History. That takes a lot out of you
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
Obviously she’s not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn’t deserve pity.
… not to mention she didn’t ask for a recount. That one was a red flag for me.
A recount requires a vote to be close, it wasn’t. Trump won every swing state. And with the margins he won by, every recount in the world would not overcome the 86 EVs she trailed by.
The election results were very close - and it was a big election, some ballots were rejected, there were bomb threats and there were also statistical anomalies. She should have asked for a recount.
Pity maybe not, but understanding definitely. If that were me ya’ll picked Trump over I’d tell all ya’ll to fuck right off while I prep a boat to Europe. Then all the people saying I should stay out of it would be bitching that I’m not participating anymore.
Exactly. If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Is that in the best interests of the American people? No. Is it an entirely understandable reaction? Yes.
Europe would be the worst pick for Harris. Maybe the Philippines or other thinly disguised police state.
So just half of Europe?
If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she’s selling.
Is she even considering running at all?
I can’t imagine thinking about “serving people” when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you signed off on our current reality.
But you’re not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they’re all conversations for a better time; done and done.
Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn’t vote.
No.
Is this wise? As an outside observer I had the impression that Harris lost in part because of systematic, subtle and overt racism and sexism. All this applies to AOC, too. Do the Democrats want to lose? Don’t they have some sort of JFK look-alike, people actually want to vote? It’s not as if appearance wasn’t way more important in the US than things like the actual political agenda.
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Stop with this shit. It’s 2025. This is stupid.
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Women can’t be president in America. We have a shitty culture that prevents that from happening. We keep trying, we keep failing. If you want to win, find another candidate with a dick. That’s a requirement in America. Not saying I like it. Just saying that’s reality.
If that was the case Hilary would have not won the popular vote
Actually this is a good chance to prove things. Most would rather vote for a woman than Trump right now. This could be a perfect moment for a woman to get in power and kick some ass.
“People need to vote Democrat to keep the country from further imploding, so we’re gonna make the candidate a woman. That way they’ll HAVE to vote for a woman and we can check that off our list!”
this is a losing strategy, you’re even considering doing it with the same loser from 2024. We lost both 2016 and 2024 by doing this exact same thing. What are you going to tell me next, that the candidate should be Jill Stein?
At least AOC is an actual good candidate, but again: woman. You’ll lose.
We should just have two women run for president and force the issue!
And tragically, that’s how America elected a third party candidate.
Fuck. Probably true.
Hillary needs to run in 2028. It is Hillary her turn. Again. This has nothing to do with them being horrible candidates. Only misogyny is responsible.
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Why does the Democratic party have a hard on for running failed politicians? Kamala lost, let others step up. AOC would do great in the Dem Primaries
So tell me why? Explain it like I’m a 6 yo. What exactly is the appeal of AOC? Someone who once aligned herself with two antisemites? She’s not a Senator, she’s a representative for New York State. Does she have the same appeal as David Hogg? Strike me down and call me a conservatard (I’ve never ever voted Republican) but AOC is a gaffe machine, but somehow it’s on purpose? Can we talk about Ilhan Omar and Rashid Talib? How the fuck did they ever become Representatives for Minnesota and Detroit…yeah I know it’s been a minute, but this is the Democratic Party…how did Leftist get so confused that they felt the need to support right wing religious nuts? You know what I talking about right? You could take your average everyday Muslim and a white supremacist and ask them both how they feel about women/jewish people/gay people and you’d get the same answer. Did AOC support the striking train workers in 2022? The union for the rail workers never really got the deal they wanted. What does AOC stand for exactly? Just the typical Gen Z talking points? “We gotta support drag queens in libraries!” Yeah, I’m an old fuddy duddy who thinks that identity politics is a losing battle, maybe if everyone can get under the umbrella of the idea that billionaires are working to ruin this country? Maybe we can talk about wealth inequality and how no one who is working class can afford anything? Housing prices, rent, basic living income and basic standards for ALL human beings? I love Bernie Sanders, god bless him, but AOC and Bernie spreading whatever message they are is falling on deaf ears, the ears of middle America. I’ll take my beating now
Yeah, I’m an old fuddy duddy who thinks that identity politics is a losing battle, maybe if everyone can get under the umbrella of the idea that billionaires are working to ruin this country?
If that’s how you feel, you’re supporting the wrong people. It was centrists who turned to identity politics to hide their lack of an economic platform. Remember when Hillary said breaking up the big banks won’t end racism? Remember when the new DNC chair said they would still take money from good billionaires? If you want Democrats to focus on the billionaires ruining our country, AOC’s your best bet.
I love Bernie Sanders, god bless him, but AOC and Bernie spreading whatever message they are is falling on deaf ears, the ears of middle America.
10K showed up for them in Michigan. 12.5K people showed up for them in Idaho. 30k showed up for them in a Trump district in Montana. Doesn’t seem like it’s falling in deaf ears, but maybe your right, and the Democrats should just not try to win any states in the middle of the country. I’m sure that’s a great strategy.
What does AOC stand for exactly? Just the typical Gen Z talking points? “We gotta support drag queens in libraries!”
You could take your average everyday Muslim and a white supremacist and ask them both how they feel about women/jewish people/gay people and you’d get the same answer.
Get fucked, bigot.
Yep, this is the kind of ad hominem attack I would expect. You think I support Hillary Clinton? What Do you think that Centrism is about exactly? Is your righteous anger going to change the world? You’re adorable
“Here’s a long detailed rebuttal to your badly informed opinion.”
“Ad hominem!”
Reddit and its consequences was a mistake.
Where the fuck has Harris been this whole time? How has she remained relevant? WTF is wrong with the DNC (gestures wildly at all their dumb shit)?
I mean, she was VP just a few months ago.
And she seems to have done fucking nothing since then to help the american people. No call to the streets, no speeches at the protests, nothing.
Yep, she and Biden just disappeared after conceding. They bowed out so hard they ended up in hiding
I don’t know why they’re surfacing this week, but they can fuck back to the rock they crawled out from under
They’ve gone into hiding so that way when 2028 rolls around they can pretend they were fighting the entire time, and how this time they need to tip the scales in running a candidate who’s anti abortion and willing to deport as many brown people to sway the mythical non-Trump republicans.
The shock to me is that Kamala Harris is in the poll at all. What rallies is she hosting? Is she even making any media appearances? I wouldn’t be surprised though if the DNC pull out the super delegates to say AOC has lost day 1 if there is even going to be a 2028 election at all.
Does it matter tho?
Y’all know that if they say vote Kamala, y’all will vote Kamala, like it or not
And the “democrats” know that y’all will vote blue no matter who anyways
Yeah okay pack it in boys, we’re screwed lol.
Why even bother to run a primary at this point? Just let the DNC select their candidate so we can skip out on the 6 months of sham and shilling.
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Also told all yall we need progressives to split from DNC and form a fresh 3rd party bruh.
Also told all yall we need progressives to split from DNC and form a fresh 3rd party bruh.
This is a recipe to ensure Republicans fully sweep every election and progressives are ignored even more than they already are. American politics are so incredibly broken, but isolating yourself by breaking off into a party that has 0 chance of ever winning anything isn’t going to fix anything.
Well if the DNC doesn’t want to win and get Trump out, they don’t have to run a candidate. If they want to split the vote from an engaged voter base wanting something new to kick out the fascist, that’s on them.
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Defeatists ignoring the number of people attending her rallies recently.
“We can’t run a woman, America doesn’t want one as president!”
“Here’s AOC having some of the biggest rallies in recorded American history, showing people are wanting to follow her lead.”
“…Well she’s also brown, so clearly no one wants to follow her for that too.”
I wonder why they don’t want AOC to run as a popular front runner, but have Harris have a second chance at losing again…
Why is Harris even mentioned? She should disappear like Hillary.
Nobody wants this person to run again.
This bro lives in a bubble with steel plating.
Nah, thats you.
A lot more people show up to listen to people like AOC. Harris is MIA.
Get out of your bubble
A crowd of 30,000 in a metropolitan area of 3 Million people. We don’t need our best to draw the biggest crowds we need them to get the most votes.
Harris polls in 1st place
Lemmy Leftists: “no one wants Harris!”
Y’all are in a bubble.
Harvard poll: 72% of Dem voters prefer more left-leaning candidates like Sanders and AOC over moderates like Harris.
Lemmy Leftists: Yes.
Cryophilia: Y’all are in a bubble.
Unfortunately that poll had some very loaded wording in it that doesn’t necessarily lead to the conclusion it’s trying to present
From page 20:
Do you support more Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and “fight harder”, or moderate Democrats who are willing to compromise on Trump issues important to their base?
72% of Democratic voters answered “yes”.
Go ahead and point out this alleged “loaded wording”.
You don’t see it?
You’re assuming that because they want more candidates to obstruct the current administration, that they would also prefer those candidates and throw actual policies in every other situation.
Because they mixed progressive and opposing the admin together in one question, you can’t tell which part is really what they’re agreeing with.
Using this specific question to claim they want more progressive candidates is futile. This is basic polling literacy stuff…
The problem is that you think people are too stupid to understand the question, and only you are smart enough to figure it out.
It’s a basic question asking if people prefer Dems like AOC and Sanders, who have a more aggressive stance against Trump, over moderate Dems who will compromise with Trump. It’s very straightforward.
Nowhere did I imply I was the only one who could understand it. What i did say was that the was this was worded could not be taken to mean the same as the stripped down version you presented.
Half of Americans read at or below a 6th grade level. This is NOT a straightforward question in the way you’re claiming. In case you haven’t been paying attention, this country is full of absolute morons who continue to vote against their own interests because of some memes on the Internet…
I’m fine with her running in a Primary.
As much as I love her, this country has shown time and time again it is unwilling to elect a woman president. It sucks, and I don’t like it, but the Dems need to run a dude.
Edit: good job hivemind, proving you’re still alive and strong considering there’s a top comment saying the exact same thing.
I’d vote for AOC over Kamala, 100%.
I mean, I still voted for Kamala, but I wasn’t excited about it.
So the “democrats” have no incentive to improve in your case
You’ll just vote whoever they choose on the ballot
Great, they are clearly running the campaign for JD Vance then.
See ya in 2028 with JD as president
Don’t be silly, he’ll already be president. Theres no fucking way that drippy ghoul has 3 years and 9 months left.
Biden can last much longer but I don’t think he’s the president anymore
If those are our two front runners we are fucked.
AOC would be great.
She’s hit and miss for me. When she’s calling people out on their bullshit regardless of party affiliation I am a fan. When she’s marching along with the ancient Democrats and being performative I can’t stand that shit.
I do not think she would do significantly better than Harris did. I think she would be an improvement, but idk if that’s gonna be enough.
Then who would you suggest, if not AOC?
Truthfully I don’t know if the Democrats have anyone that can win back the American people. Newsome is hated by half his own state and all the other states. Buttigieg maybe? Idk.
We really need another Obama or Bill Clinton. Someone charasmatic and well spoken. We just don’t have anyone young or charasmatic in that way that I can think of.
I don’t know what is the needs to be doubtful of polls now, after all, polls told us all over the internet that Kamala would DEFINITELY win the election, and she won it. right?
Right?
So yeah this polling must also be saying the truth
