Fifty House Democrats led by Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) have sponsored a bill that would form a commission to assess President Donald Trump's mental fitness for office, pursuant to the 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Has anyone noticed that the “both sides are the same so don’t bother voting” crowd have tripled efforts since we neared another important election time frame, funny how that happens.
Especially pitching that in the face of Hungary’s recent transition.
Not everything is a court of law that needs data points presented on-demand.
Just start paying attention, if you notice it then you’ll see it. If you don’t then maybe the other commenter is wrong. But it’s helpful to be aware and start noticing names.
have you ever noticed how the “have you ever noticed?” people have tripled their efforts now that the "both sides are the same so don’t bother voting” crowd have tripled their efforts?
Anecdotes are worthless. You dont know that the posts have increased. It could be your perception of them increased. This kind of shit is no better than the dumbasses who reject science because it conflicts with their feelings.
“They” as a group did not keep voting Trump appointees. Most of them didn’t, but you’re always going to have some throw away a meaningless vote and holdup in return for a political favor from the other side
I’m not just talking about Senate but committees that come up first for appointees. So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well. Which is another tick against them.
Edit: Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS. Neo-liberalism isn’t a compromise, it’s just believing it is.
Edit 2: Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats? They’ve got a huge mountain to climb in this regard to be seen as even palatable.
So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well.
Nobody is going to get 100% of their members to vote a certain way, especially if their votes don’t matter. This is true for any political party, even your favored one. When their votes do matter, Democrats vote consistently more progressively than the alternative.
Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS.
ICE was funded by the OBBBA. All Democrats voted against it in both houses and even convinced several Republicans to vote against it to the point that Vance had to cast a tie-breaking vote.
Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats?
Biden is senile. He said a bunch of crazy things, but he didn’t say we need Republicans as much as Democrats. He said that we need a Republican Party that is principled and strong. It’s precisely a lack of principles and backbone that resulted in the GOP’s Trump takeover.
We don’t need a Republican party, because Democrats do well enough as the conservative party. The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.
As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.
Look, I get it, you’re apologizing for the neo-liberals being shit. But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with. Just stop.
The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.
He looks senile. He is.
As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.
Progressives want community policing. They don’t want no police. You’re confusing progressives with anarchists.
But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with.
I’m more leftist than you are, and I’ve already convinced several. The key idea is that we should always do the best we can. If the choice is between bombing Iran and not bombing Iran, I choose not bombing Iran. If the choice is between sanctioning West Bank settlers and getting aid to Gaza and not doing those things, I choose the former. If the choice is between teaching Americans black history as American history and not teaching black history, I choose the former. If the choice is between helping refugees and removing their legal status after they’re already in the country and deporting them, you can guess which one I’m going to choose.
While I make these choices, I convince others who aren’t as progressive as me why the progressive policies that aren’t yet popular make sense, so the next time around, we’ll have the votes for it. In just the same way, I convince progressives who don’t think through the consequences of their actions why they need to, so we have the votes not to backslide into regressive policies. I don’t agree with anybody I vote for 100% of the time, but I do understand that voting for them is better than the alternative. Imagine if people who wanted equal rights for black people didn’t vote for Lincoln because he said he didn’t think that blacks should marry whites or go to the same schools (read the Lincoln Douglas debate transcripts).
Look, I get it, you’re apologizing for the neo-liberals being shit. But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with. Just stop.
look do you want another trump? another orban?
because this is how you end up with both. Magyar’s centre-right party secured something better than Orban. Why do you insist on enabling the worst because you can’t get your ideals?
I get the urge to change things quickly, but unless you want a civil war, most positive change comes deliberately, not quickly.
They have a fascist lite instead of full fascist? Dunno, sounds like it’ll only be marginally better. Vote the lesser evil, because, apparently that’s better…
Nobody knows what the long term holds, and it’s in no universe worth gambling on accelerationism when there’s real immediate harm we can prevent by voting for the Democrats. At the very least, measles won’t come back.
There’s real immediate harm you create by voting for the Democrats under current leadership, and that’s opportunity cost. You’re allowing a group which is doing nothing to combat Trump and the GOP to maintain positions of power and organize resistance to them to their own benefit.
No Kings is the best you’re going to get out of them, and it’s nowhere near enough.
There is currently no alternative to the left of the Democrats that has a credible path to power. It is not an “immediate harm” to undermine an alternative which is not even considered a genuine threat by the establishment.
Build those alternatives, sure, but they are not going to overturn the current system overnight.
Negative, I’ll vote in primaries and do what I can in my limited capacities to see better candidates that aren’t harmful. I won’t accept less than that.
Yes dear, we’re all paid actors committed to a secret plot to keep the raw dynamism of Chuck Schumer from the levers of power. We all remember the Red Terror he unleashed when the Democrats won both houses in 2020.
Has anyone noticed that the “both sides are the same so don’t bother voting” crowd have tripled efforts since we neared another important election time frame, funny how that happens.
Especially pitching that in the face of Hungary’s recent transition.
I have not noticed that, no.
Consider this your notification then
What metric are you using to measure that? Wheres your data?
Not everything is a court of law that needs data points presented on-demand.
Just start paying attention, if you notice it then you’ll see it. If you don’t then maybe the other commenter is wrong. But it’s helpful to be aware and start noticing names.
have you ever noticed how the “have you ever noticed?” people have tripled their efforts now that the "both sides are the same so don’t bother voting” crowd have tripled their efforts?
No notes.
Nobody said anything about a court of law.
Anecdotes are worthless. You dont know that the posts have increased. It could be your perception of them increased. This kind of shit is no better than the dumbasses who reject science because it conflicts with their feelings.
At best the Democrats have been doing the ratchet effect, at worse you see no difference since they kept voting Trump appointees.
“They” as a group did not keep voting Trump appointees. Most of them didn’t, but you’re always going to have some throw away a meaningless vote and holdup in return for a political favor from the other side
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-confirms-48-trump-nominees-at-once-after-gop-changed-the-chambers-rules
I’m not just talking about Senate but committees that come up first for appointees. So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well. Which is another tick against them.
Edit: Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS. Neo-liberalism isn’t a compromise, it’s just believing it is.
Edit 2: Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats? They’ve got a huge mountain to climb in this regard to be seen as even palatable.
Nobody is going to get 100% of their members to vote a certain way, especially if their votes don’t matter. This is true for any political party, even your favored one. When their votes do matter, Democrats vote consistently more progressively than the alternative.
ICE was funded by the OBBBA. All Democrats voted against it in both houses and even convinced several Republicans to vote against it to the point that Vance had to cast a tie-breaking vote.
Biden is senile. He said a bunch of crazy things, but he didn’t say we need Republicans as much as Democrats. He said that we need a Republican Party that is principled and strong. It’s precisely a lack of principles and backbone that resulted in the GOP’s Trump takeover.
We don’t need a Republican party, because Democrats do well enough as the conservative party. The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.
As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.
Look, I get it, you’re apologizing for the neo-liberals being shit. But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with. Just stop.
He looks senile. He is.
Progressives want community policing. They don’t want no police. You’re confusing progressives with anarchists.
I’m more leftist than you are, and I’ve already convinced several. The key idea is that we should always do the best we can. If the choice is between bombing Iran and not bombing Iran, I choose not bombing Iran. If the choice is between sanctioning West Bank settlers and getting aid to Gaza and not doing those things, I choose the former. If the choice is between teaching Americans black history as American history and not teaching black history, I choose the former. If the choice is between helping refugees and removing their legal status after they’re already in the country and deporting them, you can guess which one I’m going to choose.
While I make these choices, I convince others who aren’t as progressive as me why the progressive policies that aren’t yet popular make sense, so the next time around, we’ll have the votes for it. In just the same way, I convince progressives who don’t think through the consequences of their actions why they need to, so we have the votes not to backslide into regressive policies. I don’t agree with anybody I vote for 100% of the time, but I do understand that voting for them is better than the alternative. Imagine if people who wanted equal rights for black people didn’t vote for Lincoln because he said he didn’t think that blacks should marry whites or go to the same schools (read the Lincoln Douglas debate transcripts).
look do you want another trump? another orban?
because this is how you end up with both. Magyar’s centre-right party secured something better than Orban. Why do you insist on enabling the worst because you can’t get your ideals?
I get the urge to change things quickly, but unless you want a civil war, most positive change comes deliberately, not quickly.
“Transition”? Other than licking Israeli boots, what do you think is the major change in Hungary?
They have a fascist lite instead of full fascist? Dunno, sounds like it’ll only be marginally better. Vote the lesser evil, because, apparently that’s better…
Less is better than more evil, correct.
Maybe in the short term . . .
Nobody knows what the long term holds, and it’s in no universe worth gambling on accelerationism when there’s real immediate harm we can prevent by voting for the Democrats. At the very least, measles won’t come back.
There’s real immediate harm you create by voting for the Democrats under current leadership, and that’s opportunity cost. You’re allowing a group which is doing nothing to combat Trump and the GOP to maintain positions of power and organize resistance to them to their own benefit.
No Kings is the best you’re going to get out of them, and it’s nowhere near enough.
There is currently no alternative to the left of the Democrats that has a credible path to power. It is not an “immediate harm” to undermine an alternative which is not even considered a genuine threat by the establishment.
Build those alternatives, sure, but they are not going to overturn the current system overnight.
The Democrats have no credible path to stopping the GOP, demonstrated more than once.
Credible is just nonsense to justify refusing politics by the lazy.
And why the left will not just support Dems blindly. Evil is still evil.
We need to live in the reality that we’re getting evil either way and try to minimize harm.
Negative, I’ll vote in primaries and do what I can in my limited capacities to see better candidates that aren’t harmful. I won’t accept less than that.
I too have also heard that less evil is better but I’m not a philosopher.
We are all Hungary; time to eat the rich.
Yes dear, we’re all paid actors committed to a secret plot to keep the raw dynamism of Chuck Schumer from the levers of power. We all remember the Red Terror he unleashed when the Democrats won both houses in 2020.
Schumer is literally doing everything he can to help trump pass his agenda and prevent congressional oversight of operation epstein fury.
And he’s a perfect example of a dem senator who wants everyone to stay home on election day because he’s the incumbent presumptive winner.
Hey, if you’re calling for people to show up to the Senate primary - and then not vote for Schumer if he wins that - I’m with you, 100%.
If you’re saying we need to vote for Schumer because he’s not as bad as Trump, not with you.
Spot the pocket both sides trash and direct their opinion to the dumpster. Case in point.
Spot the neo-liberal simps and be sure the dumpster is on fire first.
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And the accusations of being a Trump supporter are here, folks! Get them right here! Just a small price of your soul and morals right here folks!
it’s dangerous to go alone, take this!
I wonder what they’ll do when Trump is dead?