Image is Israeli interceptors trying and failing to intercept missiles over their cities.


Israel just carried out a widespread bombing of Iran, which has killed a number of senior officials inside Iran (though it seems the leadership is more-or-less intact) as well as a number of civilians. Important facilities have been targeted, but the amount of damage is unknown so far (note that many important Iranian facilities are deep underground, making them both hard to damage but also hard to determine if they are damaged from just satellite imagery, so reports of damage will be he-said-she-said).

It appears the attack took Iran by surprise, given that a residential block was targeted that contained some senior officials - if one saw an attack coming, one would imagine they’d be in bunkers. Nonetheless, like the rest of the Resistance Axis, I suspect that Iran has adapted their military structures to be resistant to decapitation strikes by ensuring that replacement figures are ready to take the place of killed officials.

Iran has delivered a massive missile barrage in response to Israeli aggression, even though Israel is continuing to bomb Iran. Iran is now aware of the location of many important Israeli sites, including secret nuclear sites, due to their recent intelligence haul, giving them a distinct edge.


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Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel’s destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia’s youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don’t want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it’s just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists’ side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR’s former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR’s forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster’s telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a ‘propaganda tax’, if you don’t believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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    China is not building productive forces lol. As I have written before, China already has 31% of global manufacturing share, compared to 18% in the US and 5% in Germany and Japan each. In fact, China is undergoing through an overproduction crisis right now where excessive competition has caused the rate of profit to fall to razor thin margins.

    China has made many statements that it vowed to defend the global free trade arrangements, and has accused Trump’s tariffs and protectionism as violating the sanctity of the free market. In other words, China wants the Washington-led neoliberal consensus to persist. Both the US and China have benefited tremendously from such an arrangement at the expense of the entire world. This is made very clear by China’s silence when it comes to call for de-dollarization over the past three years - read the Russian proposal at the Kazan BRICS summit in 2024 to see how even Russia has largely scaled back on the entire de-dollarization effort because it does not align with the Chinese policy.

    The US may think it can decouple from China, but China has just shown how many cards it can play - for example, the rare earth card that succeeded in making Trump coming back to the negotiation table. It’s a messy divorce but eventually the US will find itself unable to leave China, who just threatened to take away their child if the US insists on going through the divorce. They will come to some kind of a renewed status quo, as I have been saying before.

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      China wants the Washington-led neoliberal consensus to persist. Both the US and China have benefited tremendously from such an arrangement at the expense of the entire world.

      Hard truths. I’ll always defend China against western imperialist propaganda, but your metaphor of a toxic relationship seems quite fitting.

      I also don’t enjoy reading again and again so many different and partially contradictory variations of the “China is playing the very long game” argument. There might be a lot of truth to that, sure, but we can’t really know in every case what the rational is. It’s also a very easy way to speculate and pull out of a hat new justifications for almost every concrete action. What a lucky coincidence for Chinese and US capitalist, that all the very different long term strategies China is said to pursue usually favour capital in the mid term.

      Also long-term arguments can always be turned around to the past. The US empire wouldn’t have survived this long if Nixon hadn’t gone to China to make a deal. Global capitalism might not have survived the financial crisis of 2007/2008 without China jumping in with the biggest government spending program ever to prop up demand. Iran is forced to attack the harbor in Haifa, that China built. If rumors about Pakistan drawing a red line and threatening nuclear retaliation in case US/Israel escalate beyond a certain point, can have an effect, than just imagine how effortlessly a single short statement from China could have lessened Palestinian suffering.

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      Isn’t the point being made above that Chinese exports to the rest of the world is building the world’s productive forces? As in, a big part of the current American imperialist apparatus is that developing countries have to be kept underdeveloped and reliant on Western exports and generally not allowed to create populaces that consume significant resources, so it’s good if China is flooding the world with useful products (like, building materials and trains and railways and ships and phones and cars and eventually computers and chips) while also being careful to not consequently destroy the domestic manufacturing of developing nations (e.g. with how China said a while ago that they’re totally fine with African nations setting up tariffs on them but also a couple days ago removed their own tariffs on every African country so as to set up mutual trade instead of African countries just being indebted to China).

      and I think this is the correct play, otherwise all you’re really doing is creating a new hegemon that is totally focussed on a big domestic population consuming all the spoils of the world but with a hammer and sickle on the flag instead of stars and stripes. Like, I want China to succeed, absolutely, but if in 50 years what they’ve created is more-or-less the same system as the United States but a little kinder to the rest of the world and less bombing and with a billion Chinese citizens in a domestic consumption economy with great social welfare and flying trains and fusion and shit, then there hasn’t been any real overturning of the imperialist world system, it’s merely China that’s benefitting now rather than the US.

      I suppose it might just be a quibble of strategy; basically: do you focus on trying to end the dollar first and then manage the consequences and opportunties of that, or do you say that maybe we should instead work within the dollar system for now (for the most part), with all the problems and risks which that inherently possesses, that you have talked about a lot, and hope that raising the development of the whole planet will create the material conditions for the dollar system to be undermined? And if your analysis is correct, then maybe China and friends have decided that they’re trying the second option, for better or worse. And then if that second option fails (idk, maybe America just buys out all the world’s property conveniently built for them by China anyway and then charges rent on it), then they’ll be forced to return again to the first option.

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        Unfortunately, no, in order to help develop the productive forces in the Global South, China has to institute a Marshall Plan with the yuan.

        Simply channeling their surplus exports to other countries to compensate for the loss of US imports will start a mercantilistic war that destroys the economies of the other exporting countries and prime those economies for IMF bailouts and mass privatization. Exactly what the US finance capital wants.

        In fact, it is already happening to Europe (I wrote about it here the other day):

        As both export and import with the US have declined, China’s export to the EU has increased by 6.4% yoy and its import from the EU has decreased by 7.3% yoy!

        That means Chinese exporters are channeling their goods to Europe, which will of course lead to a mercantilist fight where the European industries will now have to fight against cheap (and perhaps even superior) Chinese goods coming into their countries.

        Meanwhile, China has reduced its import from the EU (likely because of the consumption slump and that China has been able to replace many products that once they could only obtain from the EU, like high end cars), and this will put pressure on the European exporters as they lose their income.

        All of this is causing the EU to become even more desperate to secure a deal with Trump, since the European exporters are being squeezed to death by both the US tariffs and cheap imports from China. They will have to give Trump some really good deal, hoping to offset some of their losses. I suspect this is the true goal of the tariff war with China.

        Now, allow me to explain in detail:

        First of all, China’s central bank does not issue new RMB simply with the government running a deficit, like what the US does. New RMB emission primarily comes from accumulation of foreign currencies as reserves (exporters sell their USD to the central bank, who in turn create an equivalent of RMB in their domestic bank accounts) or through issuance of collateralized debt (such as MLF, SLF, repo etc.).

        This allows China to keep their deficit spending low for the most part (below 3% of GDP per IMF recommendation), by taking advantage of its huge trade surplus to “balance the budget” (standard IMF neoliberal policy that killed many Eastern European countries who opened up after the USSR).

        There are two main implications here:

        First, the yuan is tied to the accumulation of USD, and this means even the Chinese investment in the Global South countries (e.g. Belt and Road initiatives where 70% of the loans were denominated in USD and the rest in RMB) would require those countries to earn USD to pay back their Chinese creditors. And that means selling goods to the US to earn the USD. When the US puts up global tariffs, it’s killing those economies.

        Second, China does not want other countries to save in RMB. They are always on the fence about internationalizing the RMB. If they internationalize, the RMB loses its competitiveness in the exchange rate critical for its export industries, but if they don’t, they will have to continue to rely on the current neoliberal status quo arrangement that Trump is seeking to upset.

        For the most part, China wants you to earn RMB to import from Chinese exporters, and is happy with the USD as the global reserve currency that other countries use to save in. But where do you get the RMB in order to import from China? This goes back to the point above: it is tied to the accumulation of USD.

        And clearly, because China wants to prioritize its exporters, it’s not going to want to import from you if you make the same products (like, why would China import cars made in Mexico when it wants you and others to import Chinese-made cars?).

        Because of the lack of mechanism (or unwillingness) for China to run a large deficit spending, much of the investment in China were actually made through bank lending. This is why after the 2008 GFC, when China turned inwards to invest heavily in construction and infrastructure building, the broad money supply (M2 per IMF definition) began to overtake that of the US.

        Because the money to invest in infrastructure came from borrowing from banks, instead of the central government simply creating new money out of thin air, many of the local governments are now saddled in debt and are in serious financial constraints, and the plunging property market (a main revenue for the local governments i.e. the landlords in China) together with the ongoing deflation have also made the debt increasingly difficult to pay off.

        This is also why China is desperate for the Fed to lower its interest rates, because it is not in China’s interest for the inflation in the US to go up.

        Now, let’s look at how the Marshall Plan worked in the post-war period and the genius behind it:

        As WWII was coming to an end, the demand for military equipment and munitions began to plunge, and placed the US industries geared for military production at serious risk of large scale unemployment, which could cause yet another recession in the US (it just came out from the Great Depression with full employment under the war economy).

        Now, did the US flood the war-torn Europe with cheap American goods at the expense of the American workers? No, it would not work by squeezing the wages of the American workers.

        To keep the US industries going, and to keep the workers employed, the US instituted the Marshall Plan by literally giving post-war Germany the USD to spend on American imports. This helped preserve the US industries, kept their domestic wages high, which in turn created new demand from the American workers to import from the other countries. This new spending, in turn, helped rebuild post-war Europe as American workers can also afford to purchase goods made in Europe. Eventually, Germany and Japan would industrialize much further and caused a new round of tension in the 1970s during the oil crisis, but that’s a story for another day.

        The main point is that China cannot simply flood the Global South with cheap Chinese goods through mercantilist warfare because those would not translate into increase wages for the Chinese workers, who will need them to consume both domestically and through importing foreign goods.

        The easiest way is for China - who is now economically and financially strong enough - to weaponize the RMB and flood the Global South with newly issued RMB (not tied to USD accumulation) simply by running a large deficit (who cares about keeping it under 3%, just because the IMF says so?). By creating a new demand zone to absorb the global export surpluses, and by giving up its net exporter status, China can keep the other exporter countries from falling prey to US financial imperialism and actually help industrialize those countries.

        Remember, in order to develop industrial capacity, you need to have demand (somebody has got to want to buy stuff from you, whether it is domestic or foreign consumption), and China can leverage its huge domestic population’s demand to displace those of the American demand if it actually wants to.

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        Entirely in agreement. Given the 2 options, and the complex relations, it’s the more strategically sound course. I hate that that’s true, because if it weren’t I could be more upset at a lack of action. But option 2 has a lower risk now and the more successful that strategy is (the longer they can maintain that course) the lower the risk of BOTH option 1 and option 2 in the future. The direct risk associated with option 1 is very high (war and destruction of China as a possibility) but they are accelerating ahead in a way which is constantly lowering that risk. Option 2, of course, has risks, but those are mostly risks associated with a loss of soft power in the Western Left. Global southern groups are generally more receptive to China’s help than they are to our pleas for China to take over the world order and destroy the US.

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        all you’re really doing is creating a new hegemon that is totally focussed on a big domestic population consuming all the spoils of the world but with a hammer and sickle on the flag instead of stars and stripes

        this is the correct analysis. the triffin dilemma still applies under the XHS strategy and shortly down the line we will have a 1.4 billion strong great satan equivalent. there are accelerationist arguments to be made that this is actually the fastest route towards communism, or at least world revolution, but that’s neither here nor there.

        do you say that maybe we should instead work within the dollar system for now (while poking at it here and there) and hope that raising the development of the whole planet will create the material conditions for the dollar system to be undermined?

        the historically prevalent ‘strategy’ (it should be thought of more as a natural phenomenon) within western capitalist development has been to bait (usually you just have to wait) the hegemon into a conflict while courting its capital with higher returns on investment.

        capital also has a sort of hierarchy of needs, of which security is among the more basic. this is why a us/chinese dual hegemon system where china acts as the productive host for the american financial parasite is an unstable dynamic equilibrium at best: capital will inevitably choose stability and security over higher returns in the long run. this was demonstrated most notably by the elimination of the iberian (dual genoese/spanish+portuguese) system by the dutch (all three of the atlantic powers actually), who were able to better economize on security of production (starting from bog standard piracy, the most primitive of accumulations) within its system of political economy. later transitions did not deviate from this trend, but rather climbed up the hierarchy of needs with respect to where capital would place the imperial core.

        this is where the higher returns come in, and can be seen in the dutch/british transition as well as the british/american transition. the fact of the matter is that the mechanics operant within financial hegemony are only able to parasitize the third world due to third world countries’ atomization and relatively tiny economic size. when faced with competitors of equal or larger size, investment loses much of its lethality, perhaps the most hilarious example being the glorious revolution (iirc the dutch ended up owning like 40% of english debt and still got btfo’d afterwards). while it occurred without the presence of a global reserve currency (debt was in pounds), it also occurred without one of the parties being able to leverage ~30% of global production to such a comprehensive degree. the point is that capital will naturally flow towards new ascendant and coherent cores, cores who will notably NOT all in on a maximalist push against the extant system until they are forced to do so.

        last thing i would like to note is that there is much precedent for overproduction and depression being a precursor to financialization, which itself is commonly linked to a perception of hegemonic ascent (as good marxists we obviously all know financialization is the most obvious symptom of hegemonic decline). we see it in dutch shipping pre 1650, british steel pre 1870, and obviously gilded age amerikkka. transition periods are stochastic almost by definition, and it would be prudent to discount anyone quick to jump to hard conclusions.

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          capital also has a sort of hierarchy of needs, of which security is among the more basic. this is why a us/chinese dual hegemon system where china acts as the productive host for the american financial parasite is an unstable dynamic equilibrium at best: capital will inevitably choose stability and security over higher returns in the long run.

          I do not agree with this. It first of all implies a level of rational thinking and conscious decision making that just doesn’t exist in reality.

          “Security” is very poorly defined e.g a war on my enemy’s border is better than my own, even if we know such event could further de-stabilize the global economy or cause all those “blowback” memes. History shows is dozens of such examples. You may as well de-stabilizing and creating chaos is the goal actualy since it keeps the global south always in a precarious position.

          Second I think the preference for short term high returns at the expense of long term stability is extremely obvious, specialy in our modern period. Perhaps its different in conservative investment circles e.g the PR shit some investment bank says to their clients but even then its a white lie.

          But the economic reality is vastly different. Corporations gambling it all on shitty meme trends. The AI hype, the bubbles, buying their own stock just for executives to sell the top. Then you have the MIC and everyone else begging for more wars and conflicts just for a quick contract, the Blackrock and friends who dominate everything because they’re not afraid to do things e.g hostile takeovers. Google and the tech companies that went beyond their niche towards global dominance and now have destroyed their own core business by chasing fads etc.

          Like I do not know what is the context youre pulling from to say Capital prefers stability and security. Its quite the opposite and perhaps only true in PR material maybe?

          Point being, this is not a reason to reject a US/China bond for the long term imo. As long as China is willing to be friendly there is nothing unstable in this relationship, its rather all on the US own neocon delusional ambitions to blame.

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            It first of all implies a level of rational thinking and conscious decision making that just doesn’t exist in reality.

            i’m not here to argue theory of mind but imo it’s pretty arrogant to make the assumption that only ‘organisms’ that exist around human level complexity are capable of ‘rational thinking and conscious decision making’ when we aren’t even able to quantitatively assess the mechanisms behind the concepts in the first place.

            security is defined as the structural ability to guarantee returns. it appears as things like shipping lanes, consistent legal frameworks, property rights, and the ability to enforce thereof. this applies to the imperial core and the areas where it performs extraction. you can see empire destabilizing regimes that threaten extractive capacity through nationalization or labor laws, but you don’t see empire destabilizing their own cobalt mines by giving workers fpv drones and off days. capital that does not prioritize a significant degree of baseline stability will get optimized out, which leads into your second point:

            you can’t build an empire through meme stocks; in fact, financialization heralds the end of empire, which is why you see so much of it today. the abandonment of productive investment (as in, investment that produces things as opposed to investment that produces a return) is necessarily precipitated by systemic conditions that make other forms of accumulation easier. moving into rentierism, speculation and asset inflation does not contradict my earlier claims regarding stability (no one said anything about an endless pursuit of stability), as under the initial conditions established by the MC phase of accumulation, things are stable enough. this is what i meant by going up the hierarchy of needs, i think david harvey calls it capital switch. because financial short termism plays out as economic cannibalism where the logical end state is an imperial core that has been hollowed out by all the value being reallocated upward, capital is eventually forced out by socioeconomic collapse towards a more stable and conducive environment.

            i’m not sure if you were intentionally misinterpreting security, but if i were to make a similar logical leap along your lines of reasoning then capital should by all means be flooding into real estate on the donbas border right now. a dualist us/china relationship has precedent in the genoese iberian condominium that was eventually superseded by the dutch internalization of both production (of which security is a prerequisite) and finance. the dutch were able to do this because returns, security and political control were all vertically integrated into a more coherent imperial core. moreover, the condominium was a historical aberration: spain lacked the administrative capacity while the genoese financiers were structurally restricted from political autonomy. neither is true in the us/china situation, which is why dualism will inevitably give way to competition. the ambitions of the american gerontocracy have little to do with it, the logic of capital is the primary driver of the transition.

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      It’s kinda funny watching everyone argue with phantoms in their head; I’m talking about the long term, yes the US can’t decouple in the year of our lord 2025, but I hate to break it to you, by ten years time it will, even if it has to give the global economy a long term stroke to achieve it

      The Americans are not gonna settle for the status quo with China because Trump’s dumbass tariff policies failed in the first six months of his second dumbass term

      Also you can’t have an overproduction crisis if you’re not activity building productive forces, you kinda contradicted yourself in that first sentence

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        You can be in an overproduction crisis because you’ve overbuilt. You can remain in an overproduction crisis after you have ceased to make capital investments for some time.

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          The “China overbuilt” take is a dumb neolib take, it assumes the main drivers of the Chinese economy are speculation and fictitious capital casing after imaginary consumers

          The problem in China is under consumption, which can appear to the untrained eye as the textbook narrative on overproduction, but in reality it only remains a problem because the Chinese believe some very liberal and silly things about markets and inflation

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            Please read Capital Vol. 3 Chapter 13.

            Overproduction is a very real problem that is happening in China right now. The increase in productivity has not translated into wage growth, exactly as Marx predicted.

            The property market is imploding, the solar panel industry made record losses last year as investors fled, and the price wars in EV and cell phone sectors are causing the manufacturers to devour each other that threatens to kill off the entire supply chains. In fact, the systemic risk can no longer be ignored as even state media including the Global Times are starting to warn exactly what many people have been warning for the past couple years.

            It is not just under-consumption. There are literally not enough people in China to purchase (and actually dwell in) all the housing that have been built over the past decade. Similarly, the solar panel industry is pumping out dirt cheap solar panels at twice the global demand in just a single year!

            The most fascinating part is that Marx predicted all of that nearly 150 years ago! And the irony is that it turns out to be socialist China that will become the first industrialized country that embodies Marx’s principle of “the tendency of the rate of profit to fall”.

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              First of all that chapter has nothing to do with anything, you’re confusing the tendency of the rate of profit to fall with the artificial constraints of an export led economy

              Again the problem isn’t profit-seekers chasing imaginary consumers, it’s the fact hundreds of millions in China need a consumption stimulus to complete the transition from export mindedness to domestic consumption

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              The increase in productivity has not translated into wage growth

              Huh? The 2024 statistics from the Chinese government claim that GDP grew by 5% and purchase power grew by 5.5%