• webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
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    3 days ago

    Anarchy is the supreme law and will remain as such till heat death of the universe.

    Try to hard to enforce your own and whatever order you thought you had will collapse.

    In slightly different words: “Federal law is supreme” says who? Federal law?

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      3 days ago

      Whether you mean it or not you’re basically saying that the only order is the order of the strong over the weak.

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        2 days ago

        There are ways to survive without doing that. Most will do that though, because they already are. The oppressed would rather exploit each other than the system, because of the few that made the news, it didn’t go very well. For those that didn’t, enforcement apparatus was well-paid.

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          Then by OPs logic it would follow that the oppressed are only in that position because they are weak. (e.g. not temporarily disenfranchised revolutionaries) If they were “strong” they would be in the oppressors position.

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                1 day ago

                That’s pretty callow, imo.

                Is water good or bad? Are you drowning, or thirsty? Maybe you’re swimming. Maybe it’s in water where raw sewage or chemical waste is dumped. Maybe it’s pristine and you accidentally swallow some, but now you have cholera because an infected animal eliminated in that spot. Maybe it’s full of microplastics.

                Instead, maybe you can picture life questions as one of those color picker sliders, and the slider can move infinitely in any direction.

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                  1 day ago

                  You are really beating up that strawman. He doesn’t stand a chance.

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                    I searched for a post but couldn’t find it now, and it’s too bad because it addresses exactly this mindset, but basically talked about how liberalism boils everything down to a zero sum game, among the general populace.

                    Somehow, the masses never develop enough unity to take that zero sum game to the ultrawealthy and global corporations.

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        2 days ago

        Is it not? We all collectively agree to cede the state a monopoly on (legal) violence to enforce the law.

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          Yeah but if it’s a universal truth then it transcends all categories. The stronger nation topples the weaker while the bully dominates others in the schoolyard. Therefore any semblance of egalitarianism or equality is artificial and sustained only by the threat of force. This force only exists if there are enough intelligent and strong people in the society that also agree to the social contract in enough numbers that it won’t collapse or be conquered by an outside force. (e.g. Brute force is all that matters)

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            I’d argue military force and threatening posture has been a large part of the USA foreign policy and diplomacy for the entire existence of the nation.

            I get what you’re saying and yeah I honestly think the world we live in, stripping away all sense of morality, is one where “might makes right.”

            Dead people do not argue. I’m not saying I think it should be that way or it’s good, only that it’s the way things work even if it does suck.

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              1 day ago

              I agree with you. Having the power to exert your will is what politics boils down to in this earthly life. Everything else is BS.

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        2 days ago

        Its a part of it but there are many ways to define strenght.

        Strenght can be numbers, it can be witt, it can also be non corporale like “global warming” winning because we are being devided

        In a hypotethical situattion where i am being chased i am not stopping for a red light. But this has little to do with strength.

        Every entity has within the freedom to act on its own and law is a mutual agreement at best.

        Being aware enough to consider others is a powerfull dynamic that can create strength but it is optional to life and can not be forced.