I have to call it fake tbh. “Fight and die”? First, they’re 'murrikkkans, OF COURSE they want to fight and oppress someone, they are ITCHING to get there. The better if the designated victims are “brown” or “asian”. Second, “die”? How? The US and Israhell are in an absolutely advantageous genocidal position, how could you even die in such an op? There is absolutely zero risk, all gain, in this op for US soldiers, so I just don’t see them mutining.
Sailors are working class.
The entire point of the Mutiny on the Battleship Potemkin was that their lives were about to be wasted in a completely pointless operation.
Like right now.
This is really mean-spirited.
Iran has supersonic cruise missiles and this ship is the biggest target. If it is hit it is a HUGE escalation guaranteed to cause tens of thousands of deaths.
Of working class on all sides.
I get the vibe but. Can really the military be considered working class? They act against it all the time, nationally or internationally, judicially or extrajudicially, they betray all the principles (that’s how you get into the military in the first place).
If it is hit it is a HUGE escalation
On the side of the US. They are the ones marching a ship to Iran in the first place. We know who the real invaders are, in all these modern wars. There’s no need to pin the blame on the victims.
Yes enlisted sailors are working class. They are trading their labor for a wage. Draftees are even worse, literal slaves who do not know why they are fighting each other and only wish to go home, as in the Great War that led to the Potemkin incident.
By this logic, strikebreakers/cops are working class. Also draftees always have a choice, prison time in your home country is better than death in another one, they are categorically not enslaved (enslaved soldiers are not a military strategy) or threatened with the death penalty. Israeli draftees are still settlers and are fully guilty of the crimes they commit.
Yes police are working class. With no police to enforce the property laws of the bourgeois, private property wouldn’t exist. Why else do you think “defund the police” was a thing? It wasn’t random.
Gosh, nobody has ever heard of the bourgeois fooling working class into working against their class interests before. They lack class consciousness.
My understanding is that they’re workers in the same way managers and soldiers are workers. Their interests can align with other workers under special circumstances, but under pre-revolutionary conditions their interests are perfectly aligned with the ruling class. They’re conscious of their own material interests, which usually exist in contradiction with the interests of the rest of the working class. Managers and soldiers and cops don’t union bust because they lack class consciousness, they do it because that’s what they’re paid to do.
Hence the rule: “Always pay your guys. If you stop paying your guys, they’re no longer your guys.”
I have to call it fake tbh. “Fight and die”? First, they’re 'murrikkkans, OF COURSE they want to fight and oppress someone, they are ITCHING to get there. The better if the designated victims are “brown” or “asian”. Second, “die”? How? The US and Israhell are in an absolutely advantageous genocidal position, how could you even die in such an op? There is absolutely zero risk, all gain, in this op for US soldiers, so I just don’t see them mutining.
Sailors are working class. The entire point of the Mutiny on the Battleship Potemkin was that their lives were about to be wasted in a completely pointless operation. Like right now. This is really mean-spirited. Iran has supersonic cruise missiles and this ship is the biggest target. If it is hit it is a HUGE escalation guaranteed to cause tens of thousands of deaths. Of working class on all sides.
I get the vibe but. Can really the military be considered working class? They act against it all the time, nationally or internationally, judicially or extrajudicially, they betray all the principles (that’s how you get into the military in the first place).
On the side of the US. They are the ones marching a ship to Iran in the first place. We know who the real invaders are, in all these modern wars. There’s no need to pin the blame on the victims.
Yes enlisted sailors are working class. They are trading their labor for a wage. Draftees are even worse, literal slaves who do not know why they are fighting each other and only wish to go home, as in the Great War that led to the Potemkin incident.
By this logic, strikebreakers/cops are working class. Also draftees always have a choice, prison time in your home country is better than death in another one, they are categorically not enslaved (enslaved soldiers are not a military strategy) or threatened with the death penalty. Israeli draftees are still settlers and are fully guilty of the crimes they commit.
Yes police are working class. With no police to enforce the property laws of the bourgeois, private property wouldn’t exist. Why else do you think “defund the police” was a thing? It wasn’t random. Gosh, nobody has ever heard of the bourgeois fooling working class into working against their class interests before. They lack class consciousness.
My understanding is that they’re workers in the same way managers and soldiers are workers. Their interests can align with other workers under special circumstances, but under pre-revolutionary conditions their interests are perfectly aligned with the ruling class. They’re conscious of their own material interests, which usually exist in contradiction with the interests of the rest of the working class. Managers and soldiers and cops don’t union bust because they lack class consciousness, they do it because that’s what they’re paid to do.
Hence the rule: “Always pay your guys. If you stop paying your guys, they’re no longer your guys.”
Police are not fucking working class are you fucking kidding me lmao craziest shit I ever read on this site
They know they can just drop their weapons and go home. It’s not like the generals are setting foot on the front to keep them on a leash there.