• wheezy@lemmy.ml
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    Sometimes I wonder if Hitler was a similar person. It’s hard to know because of how different we see leaders today. It’s not just some news article you read or some speech every once in awhile. We get constant exposure and also constant exposure to so many different people talking about them in different ways.

    Like, I don’t think Trump is like Hitler. Not in the way we think of Hitler from the way he’s taught in history. But, materially, he is creating extremely similar results. I don’t see Trump as very passionate on his hatred or racism. Like, I think he’s more concerned with what being racist and hateful gets him.

    I don’t know where I was going with this thought. But I guess my point is that it’s weird to see a modern day leader implement almost verbatim the same policies and propaganda as the Nazis did. While, idk, being so incredibly, almost, apathetic about it? He seems to be so focused on only what benefits him and gets other rich people to like/respect him. Which is odd, at least in comparison to how we think of fascist leaders of the past. Most being portrayed as extremely passionate about their hatred. Maybe he’s just old? His heart seems less in causing pain but more so, apathetic about it, as long as it benefits him in some way.

    Edit: reread my comment later and it’s obvious now that what I was trying to get to was that history is told outside of class conflict. The important part missing is that the idea of Hitler is this idea of “pure evil” in order to exclude his actions from being connected to the capitalist class and it’s interests. It’s to treat him as a “special case” and not understand what his material interests aligned with.

    This isnt to say Hitler was less bad than portrayed. It is to point out that the great man theory of history is using him as a scapegoat for the interest of the capitalist class and it’s concentration in favor of capitalism at that time. Which, well, we are seeing again today.

    I think some replies here missed that. Talking about human aspects of Hitler’s art or otherwise. Which could easily be said of Trump. I think what is missing is not a personal analysis. It’s class analysis. Trump and Hitler’s class position align.

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      I think he might be a worse person than Hitler. He just doesn’t have the complete and total control that he did. Yet.

      I know it’s cliche, but Hitler painted and loved dogs. Trump doesn’t have an artistic bone in his body, and by all accounts he hates pets. All pets.

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        It’s late night Lemmy comment time. I made an edit to my comment that replies to all the comments I received in whole. But yours is the main I’d probably reply to. So just giving another response specifically if you care for the response. Can read my edit. Would respect your response. Interested in the “Hitler did human things” response.

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          Yeah I don’t think I can really humanize Hitler all that much lol. Tall order.

          He did love dogs, was a vegetarian, and painted. That’s all I really know

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        The only thing I’ve heard about Trump that sounds like he has an ounce of humanity is he has a good relationship with his grandchildren. His granddaughter talked about him at the national convention and he sounded like a pretty normal grandfather

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      Maybe believing they are passionate in their hatred is what allows us to,sleep at night. If they are blasé about it, then maybe anyone can be hitler.

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      I mean, Hitler at least seemed to be coming at things from a place of misguided patriotism.

      Man, I feel gross just writing that out, but I think it’s true — I think I respect Hitler more than Trump.