cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/37367499

This is building consent for a US war on Venezuela.

Nobel war prize more like, considering the people they award this to.

    • KatManDoo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      419·
      11 days ago

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH you really think that?

      The USA are the one imposing their diplomatic narrative.

        • Doomsider@lemmy.worldEnglish
          56·
          11 days ago

          Are you seriously suggesting that Noble Peace awards are beyond influence and corruption.

          The criticism of the process of choosing candidates is widely regarded because it is obscured and otherwise secret in nature.

          Not to mention sometimes they fuck up. It is may not even be their fault, as they can’t control a person’s actions before of after the prize is given.

          • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            75·
            11 days ago

            Prove it then. Offer up the material proof of the USA directly determining a winner or maybe consider that we do know who chooses the winners and it is former winners. The US government isnt going to have much sway.

            • Doomsider@lemmy.worldEnglish
              37·
              11 days ago

              Prove what. That they can be corrupt and make bad picks.

              The US could or could not have sway. I am not suggesting they do, just saying it could be done.

              I believe former winners nominate people, the actual decisions are made by a five member Norwegian Nobel Committee.

              • guy@piefed.socialEnglish
                1·
                10 days ago

                But it is such a useless statement? Everything could be influenced by something or someone.

                KatManDoo obviously sees the peace price committee as a puppet show played by the US. This is obviously not the case and stating ‘but they could add pressure, theoretically, maybe, possibly’ is not adding anything else but realism conspiracies

                • Doomsider@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  10 days ago

                  For sure it is, but when the committee is picking someone only a Neo Liberal would you start seeing the magic of the Nobel Peace Prize slip away.

                  Not only could they be influenced it is apparent that they are also not immune to the pervasive influence of capitalists regardless of their actual intentions.

                  My reaction is basically, let’s get real. They are not beyond corruption. That is all I am getting at. I am not trying to prove a conspiracy, because there is no need to.

                  The Nobel Peace Prize committee makes shitty picks like when they gave the award to Obama who then proceeded to bomb the shit out of the Middle East.

                  So yeah, there is definitely a reason to be critical of them.

              • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                11·
                9 days ago

                I literally told you what you need to be anle to prove your claim. You need material evidence of this happening in the past.

                • Doomsider@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  9 days ago

                  Material evidence of them giving a Noble Peace Prize to someone who ended up being a war criminal? Sounds pretty subjective to me.

                  But I will bite. Obama. Now it is up to you to refute he is not a war criminal and it was not a shitty pick. GO!

                  • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    11·
                    9 days ago

                    No, material proof of the USA forcing the Nobel committee to appoint someone as that is your actual claim. You don’t have that so you are offering up a strawman