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When did Israel fight in one of our wars?

Is that not accurate?

Don’t you guys cheer ending free speech anytime you are in power? I’m all for you joining the team, but please stop vilifying the people who got there before you.

Sometimes the people who fight have more in common with each other than the people who don’t fight. It takes two to have an existential ethnic conflict. So yeah, we kind of did export nazism to the middle east. We took efforts to de-nazi the Germans but we didn’t consider the need to de-nazi the Zionists. Because they were on the losing side we assumed as victims they couldn’t have the same tendencies as their opponent. But if both sides had the same tendencies one side was bound to be in the losing position and be the victim.

If it quacks like a duck and genocides like a duck. Maybe we have a duck.

That’s like saying the space shuttle is responsible for curing polio. Yes, the the period before the space shuttle existed there was a lot of polio. The military incursions from Muslim countries into Europe were ended by the Crusades.

A lot of news is just blog posts on a site that claims to be more than a vlog. But is it really. Sometimes what gets classified as news is poorly researched as fuck. And then this “news” end up on trashy blog sites that run 10x more ads than most blog sites. I don’t buy appeal to authority fallacies so the fact that those articles are written by “journalists” is irrelevant. Modern journalists don’t act like journalists because they write crap.

90% of news is a hair away from blog spam once you ask the Socratic questions, what is blog? what is news?

You do know that the Soviets and Maoists genocided people too right? Genocide is not an economic right vs economic left issue. It’s a power issue. Here is a right wing forum having pretty much the exact same thread with almost the exact some content. Sometimes the sky is blue and people everywhere can say the sky is blue.

Keep in mind when someone talks on a right wing or left wing forum they have to agree with 90% to fit in and use 10% to push toward truth. It’s called nudge theory.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=687d0040922e1

But look, people who are economically right can be against genocide just as much and call out the same genocide. Funny thing is the only people who aren’t on the same page right now is congress. Um, and boomers. Congress and boomers. Everyone else thinks this is a genocide and thinks it should stop.

There is another theory that some of the European powers actually agreed with Hitler to some degree. He was a darling politician to a lot of these people at one point before history got sour. And while maybe they weren’t fans of Hitler’s solution, they did see an opportunity to kick the Jewish Problem somewhere else. Apparently Hitler himself tried a Zionist approach at one point. The reality is that because decisions in society involve many people, there is a plurality of sentiments responsible for a decision winning in the end.

The people who felt sympathy for the Jews wanted to do something nice. The people who didn’t didn’t mind seeing them go. The first among the motives sounds nicer so they painted it as that being the only reason. So it seems everyone agreed. Palestinians sure didn’t. But I guess no one phoned them on the decision.

What’s a fun alternate history question is if German Zionist efforts succeeded how German established Israel would have played out with the Palestinians. There is an opportunity for a 100% converged timeline because there’s no reason to think things wouldn’t have gone equally wrong. If Germany won the war you might still have a 2024- Isreal/Palestinian conflict. There’s a chance though nukes wouldn’t be involved.

I wonder. They are claiming the Epstein list doesn’t exist. Maybe what we have isn’t organized as a single list but are just lots of names over a lot of different documents. But you know who really has a proper list? Israel has the list. It’s reasonable to ask Trump for the list. It’s reasonable to demand it. But we could also ask the people who certainly have it.

This is the other reason why congress voted to block it. Not only are a lot of them on it. But some of them rose to power more recently and couldn’t be. But it would still reduce Israel’s leverage over the US. And it’s congress’s job to protect the interest of their boss.

Does our view of J6 change with time? Shocking that people attacked congress. But you do know they don’t work for you. Maybe their motives weren’t good. But the shock, gasp, they attacked… congress. Honestly I don’t give a fuck about that part.

That’s not fed posting. I just don’t give a fuck about something. I’m allowed to not care about things.

I really never understood this. I’ve tried grilling them on it but I can never get a straight answer. See Israel already exists, so that element of the prophecy already has a check mark. The next part is that all the nations go to war against Israel, which at this point would be reasonable progression of events. Now if they are trying to progress the timeline then Israel being under attack would progress the timeline. BTW, all the nations would include the US. So if anything you’d think they’d support the US attacking Israel.

So they need to not progress the timeline to protect the timeline that they need to happen that should happen independent of any will they exert? And they are still trying their darndest to exert will anyway, in the exact opposite direction of the next thing?

I have a different, somewhat conspiratorial theory. There are a lot of bought and paid for pastors that say whatever works best for Israel. Crazy thought. But did you know that Israel pays for trips to Israel for these people even though they don’t want Christianity there. I hear these trips are first class. Mike Huckabee says he’s done the trip they offer multiple times. He wonders if other people have tried “the trip” yet.

I would really love for someone to make the “protect Israel to have the rapture” thing make sense to me. I genuinely want to get it. Understanding other people’s ideas is important to me. But man, I’m fucking lost.

Yeah. When you bring up that Palestinians are Semites you open up a fair can of worms for how non-nonsensical these labels are in general. It’s almost better not to think about it and just accept the semantic meaning. My gosh we shouldn’t get into Ashkenazi genetic admixture, and how ironic it is that a predominately ethnically-Germanic, among many other things higher on the ingredient list than ancient Hebrew, are calling Palestinians antisemetic. The poor relation of these words to actual reality is almost better to not think about. Everyone knows what’s meant by today’s backward verbiage.

Interesting article.

Yeah, a bunch of Europeans colonized Israel and are calling the Semitic inhabitants antisemitic.

It’s interesting that Zionists today will say that any criticism of Zionism is anti-semitism when Zionism, according to you was invented by an anti-Semite. So I guess it’s actually Zionism that is anti-Semitic? The only think I don’t buy about that is maybe he was the father of modern-Zionism, but movements for anti-diaspora have always existed among the Jewish people.

I did some quick reading. I’m not buying that he was an anti-semite considering it was the anti-semitism surrounding the Drayfus affair and the rise of an anti-semite Karl Lueger which motivated his views on Zionism. I see some reference that some have argued that his attack of Jewish people who disagree with his position as not being good Jews as being anti-semetic. But I don’t think that’s fair. Everyone argues what constitutes a good American or bad American or this or the other. Me saying that good Americans should oppose drug laws because freedom, if I were called anti-American for having an argument of what would be a good American position I don’t think that would be fair. I’ve interestingly seen Zionists today call Jewish people who aren’t anti-semitic which is a bit funny. I guess both sides have a history of calling either side anti-semetic even though both sides are Jewish. Probably not fair in either case and really just a pejorative.

Who said anything about Constantine. I referenced Jesus. Well before Constantine. Zionism and the want for Jewish control of the region and anti-diaspora absolutely existed in Jesus’s time. Jesus absolutely did not hate all Jews, considering he was one, almost all of his friends were Jewish, and we have no reference to his opinion of Jewish people in other regions. He seemed to have a deep care for the common people among the Jewish of that region. But when it came to the people who were politically Zionist living in Israel (or its political equivalent of the time) he consistently only ever had petty mean words to say. And that’s coming from kind as a butterfly Jesus. He literally called them the spawn of Satan. Whether Jesus existed or not the point is that reading the words of that real or non-real person as provided from the Bible, as you would expect a Christian to do, it would be very odd to infer a religious responsibility toward Zionism.

Well that’s an extremely fair point to make. Point is the Bible was re-written again, (maybe you have a better idea of the total rewrite count), to spread Zionist propaganda and was propagated through the US in particular.

Fun fact. Even Isaac Newton was able to find ways in which the Bible was surreptitiously altered. So this is a bit of a problem in general. People have been altering the Bible to meet political ends for a while.

In the case of the bit we have Bibi quoting we have the Jewish version to reference and their own version uses a singular you, but Bibi found the Scofield version to be convenient. Crazy how this guy knows more about translation variance in Christian versions of the Old Testament better than most Christians do. It’s almost like this guy made it his job to communicate to Christians and get them to support him.

We have the Scofield Bible to blame. Remember that Christians did the whole Spanish Inquisition thing and Martin Luther called for the expulsion of Jews from Europe. If supporting Israel because Jews exist there was theologically consistent with Christianity then neither of those things would have happened. But the Scofield bible rewrote parts of the Bible to promote Christian Zionism and was popularized particularly in the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible

Israeli spokesmen responsible for messaging the United States still quote it. Bibi says: “God will bless those who bless us [Zionist Israel].” In reality the Bible used the non-plural you referring to Abraham the individual person, who was alive 4000 years ago.

Meanwhile Jesus himself said to modern Israel’s progenitors, who were also political zionists, “Say not that you are sons of Abraham, for if you were you would do the works of your father. But you do the works of your father, who is Satan.”

Basically if you are a modern Christian who supports Israel you are a fucking retard who can’t read. The clergy of older Christianity could read. That’s why they didn’t think their post-judiaism religion demanded they worship any Jews with the exception of Jesus.

So they are scared of words? That’s a pretty bullshit excuse.

Remember to never have respect for nearly any politician in congress no matter what party it is. Unless they spoke up they deserve less respect than dog shit.