Most Israeli Jews are from the Middle East. The rest are mainly direct descendants from the Europe Holocaust (⅔ of them were rounded up because of their ethnicity and, without provocation, executed — actual genocide by UN definition).

Meanwhile in Australia this week we have Jews being doxxed by Daily Mail.

Where would they go to?

Occupied is not the same as border control. The control was necessary because the Al Qassam Brigades and Palestinian Intifada Jihad kept attacking Israel with missiles and suicide bombers.

Reporting Hamas propaganda as facts. If stating the source it is always “Gaza Health Ministry” never Hamas even though they are Hamas run.

This emboldens Hamas and prolongs the agony.

Gaza was not occupied. Israel withdrew settlements in 2005.

I personally wish that Netanyahu and whoever was in charge of the Defense were punished instead of invading Gaza for retaliation. Sucking up the 1200 slaughtered by the Al Qassam Brigade would have been cheaper with less death for everyone concerned.

From Israel’s own self-interest perspective: they have lost 454 soldiers. They have had 148 hostages returned but could have had them all returned (and lost no soldiers) at the start of the war with a swap.

Israel underestimated the extent of the tunnels and the unquestioning support Hamas would get from the Global Left (eg believing the Al Ahli Hospital hoax).

But Hamas (who were as keen for war as Likud) also underestimated: they mistakenly thought the Arab League would join the war like in 1967.

And so the mission creep has gotten us to this situation today. The only realistic way out I see is if Hamas would surrender and the Arab League would occupy and reconstruct. I certainly would not trust Likud and the even more right wing parties in their coalition (who support expansionist terror by settlers in the West Bank).

You haven’t answered the question.

So you think Israel should have tried a one-state solution? I don’t see any Arab governments anywhere in the Middle-East interested in anything other than their own brand of “religious nationalist ethno-state”.

But one small such state for Israel is too much? (Which is very much more secular than any Arab state).

There’s a lot of “righteous indignation” in this thread.

The ratio of Gazan deaths isn’t 50 civilians to 3 militants though. Not even remotely that ratio. You are not discussing in good faith and you avoided answering my question.

We haven’t even seen these supposed leaks.

Dunno about Israel, but, here in Australia, Cabinet documents are kept from the public for twenty years (even in peace time). Dunno if a transcript exists.

In UK then there is no transcript.

according to Israeli cabinet meeting minutes leaked on Wednesday to Israel’s Channel 13.

Why don’t they show the minutes (and a translation)? Do Channel 13 somehow have copyright over the minutes?

EDIT: Googling Channel 13 Israel leaked minutes doesn’t come up with anything from Channel 13 themselves. Do I need to type the keywords in Hebrew? I don’t know Hebrew though.

It may even be a hoax we are all wasting energy on.

What do you think Israel should have done after October 7? Packed up and left?

Not taking sides here, but here is a great animated history map of the region (although whether the"Kingdom of Israel" existed as a united entity as down on this map is debated).

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