southsamurai

Okay, there’s layers to this.

It was a weird mini essay to have on a work channel. I’m not sure why you’re surprised there was an objection.

However, the reaction to that, firing you, is so out of line.

Then, there’s the reasoning they give for it all being so far off from what was said.

So, on the one hand, it was the equivalent of bait. But on the other five hands, they were absolutely overboard in response. At most, it should have been a sit down meeting with a stern warning.

Hell, this is so obviously YDI that I’m amazed it didn’t autofill when I opened the comment section

YDI.

While disagreeing with queerness being an intrinsic facet of humanity is certainly your right, it don’t make it right, and it is a very common tactic used by bigots all over the world.

So, it comes back to that concept that if you don’t want to be called a bigot, don’t say and do things that bigots do. And you did.

I’m going to break my personal rule again and comment on the idea itself.

Being in the LGBTQ grouping is not a bourgeois label. Every letter represents an aspect of humanity that is a fundamental part of us. Trying to deny that makes you the class traitor, and I fucking despise that term. If Marx would have agreed with you, fuck his skanky old ass. Any revolution or movement that doesn’t fully back the human rights of every human can go fuck itself.

Alright.

This is definitely PTB. PJ broke his own rules. You can’t do that as a mod, period. Doesn’t matter what the provocation is.

Mind you, you were a smug jerk as well (edit: and I mean that both of you were being smug jerks), so the only reason it’s PTB is that he crossed the line. I might have temp banned your ass a few exchanges previous at the most. Probably, I would have just reminded you to chill the fuck out and disengaged, but I dunno, I can be a hotheaded asshole sometimes.

If it had been temporary, I’d have gone with an ESH since both of you were slap fighting instead of talking, but that’s not what happened.

I mean, by virtue of the place itself, this is YDI.

Besides, you took the bait lol. Even if they didn’t have a very clear policy I’m place that was easy to find, you can’t blame anyone if you take the bait that’s so obviously dangled lol

Unfortunately, you fell afoul of the most common of forum errors. You didn’t check the community.

Now, while that community doesn’t have a rule about that twat, and has rules against that kind of rhetoric in general (as in violent rhetoric), you do have a degree of responsibility of vibe checking a place before you jump in.

You also have to take into account instances on the fediverse. You can’t just roll into .ml and preach capitalism, and you can’t go into a blahaj and defend a known bigot. It’s never going to end well.

I do think the ban was a tad much overall, though a temporary cool off one would have been fine. A temp ban based on the tone and phrasing of your comments would be totally justified.

And the reason given was absolutely bullshit. Rowling stan does nothing useful, it just sets up an antagonistic paradigm of mod vs users instead of a controlled curation.

Despite that, I can’t see a PTB being the right call, but it wasn’t a total YDI either. The extent of the action was too far, but done in good faith despite that

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Aight, that’s a great response :)

What I’m taking away from that is that the method is more like what auto mod on reddit did than a separate piece of software running. That, as such, it’s something admins have full control over beyond just choosing to have it in place or not; as in an llm would be a closed box with limited ability to influence what goes on inside. And that it’s serving pretty much as a filter as opposed to an automated decision maker.

Which is exactly what the fediverse needs tbh, assuming I’m understanding what’s being used correctly.

With that assumption in place, my only remaining “bullshit” is in a little more transparency on exactly what it is. Not the details of keywords and such that would allow bots to easily bypass, but as in whether it’s some kind of custom built code y’all have put together, vs an externally sourced program. If it’s external, then it should definitely be made known where it comes from so that prospective users can make a decision based on that.

It’s not power tripping, as you said in a comment.

But it is bullshit, and they can fuck right off with the “too much detail, done locally” shit.

Look, I’m all for auto mod tools. I’ve been vocal about it being why I would never mod a large community on the fediverse. There’s just too much assholery online to not have a tool that filters out the assholes before anyone else is exposed to it.

But, with reddit, anyone could look at the documentation on what auto mod could do. You knew, if you wanted, what was an wasn’t possible. You could easily figure out why your comment or post ran afoul of it. Despite the complaints aboue its misuse, it was the thing that made modding a subreddit halfway bearable. And, when used appropriately, it made being part of a sub a much better experience.

But this? The lack of transparency about what’s going on, what the tool does, how it does it, just ain’t cool. It flies in the face of what the fediverse is supposed to be.

It’s llm/ai surveillance without even source available access so a given user can decide to opt the fuck out.

Like I said, a tool like that is a good thing, not a bad one. But not being open is abhorrent for this use.

Edit: for any stragglers, do read the responses made by people from the instance in question before raising any hell. They seem to be on board with providing good info to possible new users and informing current users that might object.

This is YDI.

Not for calling a dead thing a corpse, but because of your second comment.

When a community has a kindness/civility rule, we’re all expected to follow it, no matter how strong our beliefs.

And, tbh, even if a community doesn’t have a listed rule for civility, it really should be the default behavior anyway. Not that I can claim to always err on the side of niceness, gods know I’m an asshole. But when I’m an asshole and I get banned, I deserved it.

Civility isn’t just not insulting someone. It’s about trying to remember the human.

However! Had I been the mod in question, I’d also have banned the other user for being an asshole to you in the first place.

Well, I’m late to the party, but PTB.

The reason may be odd though.

It’s the reason given that’s why I jumped straight to PTB. Didn’t need to see anything else.

Any mod or admin that gives that as a ban reason that isn’t just cleaning up dead accounts or bots, is automatically power tripping. They could ban the same people, and even for the same things, and not have me immediately knowing they’re power tripping with just two words.

It’s also smug as fuck all, and I’ve gotten extra pissy about smug assholes in my middle age. But that’s borderline being an asshole myself, so I won’t go into it beyond that.

Pot, meet kettle

I ain’t mad at him though.

Sometimes a dad gotta dad hard

Alas, yes, PTB.

While any given instance can freely ban people for whatever reason, making reasons up is always gone to be PTB.

If they’d just said they didn’t like the people and didn’t want them around? Shitty, but only PTB on a technicality, in that that’s something an admin shouldn’t use as criteria. Yeah, I know that seems fucking weird, but there is a degree of personal choice when running an instance. Nobody has to let in people they don’t like. On a small instance, it wouldn’t matter.

But on that instance, it matters. If you’re going to play the heavy on a flagship instance, you’ve got a higher standard to meet. If that’s not in your capabilities, you shouldn’t be running a main instance. Foist that work off to someone temperamentally inclined to not screw the pooch. But if you’re going to be pulling that kind of thing, be honest. Don’t make up bullshit reasons, it destroys your credibility and shows that you are, indeed, in it for the power fantasy to some degree or another.

Say what you want about the names on that list as members of the fediverse at large, but half of those names are well known to not abuse power, and the more recognizable ones sure as hell aren’t organizing any harassment. Even if only because they’re recognizable. They’d be smart enough to create a random account unconnected to their main ones.

So, yeah, PTB and full of malarkey

It was meant to point to the strangeness of that, and comment on the history of colonialism still being a factor in the world today, hopefully with some small degree of humor. A lot of anti immigrant noise is an extension of that same kind of thinking. It certainly wasn’t serious commentary, as in meant to really dig into the subject, but it wasn’t totally brainless either ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good on you for expanding on the subject though! No irony or sarcasm, that’s a genuinely great thing to do :)

Yeah! Send those colonizing bastards back to Europe!

As often happens online, you missed the point.

I said if you had abused reports, it’s a valid option to ban for that. Since, as I also said, we have no idea what reports you made, on what comments, or what you said in the reports, the default assumption is that it’s PTB to ban for that. They would have to show their reasoning for it not to be.

Fwiw, if a given community doesn’t have a rule about comment subject matter regarding stances on a given matter, it can still be report abuse , no matter whether you’re right in your opinion about said stance. Generally, you’d make one main report, and point to other comments in it rather than making a ton of individual reports.

As an example, if you run across an asshole spouting nazi bullshit, you send a report about that user being a douche, and mention there are multiple comments by the same person. If a mod wants/needs help finding individual comments, let them ask. It’s a kind of difficult line to find, but generally once there’s three comments worthy of reporting, it’s better to consolidate. That’s one of the huge benefits of lemmy/piefed over reddit: custom reports. We have the ability to spell out the problem in a better way.

Again, that’s just generally a good practice, and a ban solely for reporting in good faith is not acceptable.

Well, based on the mod log, we can at least say clueless mod by virtue of the claim of it being an old post.

That being said, the rest of the ban reason includes report excessiveness.

While I personally tend to err on the side of PTB with that by virtue of reporting being vital for moderation, it can be done in a way that merits a ban. Since we can’t see the reports, I call it a PTB as a default, but I still think it important to recognize that report abuse exists. If there were proof provided that OP engaged in such, I’d say YDI.

You may be an arnarkiddie (that’s the first one seen the term, and the term is hilarious), but you’re our anarkiddie lol.

Look, ignoring anything else, people really need to get the idea that a post removal is not inherently power tripping. It’s the point of a mod. That’s the thing they’re for: curating and keeping the crazies to a bare minimum.

If the mod is removing a single comment or post, with no other action, it isn’t power tripping unless there’s some corroboration of a pattern of suppression.

In this case, you provided no evidence of such, and the accusation you made is so far over the top absurd that I think you actually deserve a ban here.

Now, me and db0 have disagreed on multiple occasions, and I called them an asshole the other day, so this isn’t someone kissing ass. But one thing that cannot be said about db0 is that they’re in any way a fucking nazi. Fuck, if a real revolution popped off, despite my disagreements on precise details of what should happen after, db0 is one of a small handful of people on lemmy I’d gladly work beside.

This post is pure shit stirring, and isn’t what this community is for, though it’s good that it stayed up so that the absurdity of it can be addressed.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with the principle that mods and admins can be and should be called out when they’re up to fuckery. But that isn’t what this is. This, to go old school, is calumny, verging on libel.