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Every single thing was a groyper meme.

He wore a trump costume. He wore a Pepe costume.

If each casing existed in a vaccum, and there were no other information whatsoever (like his father wearing 3 percenter shirts, the costumes, even the timing of him becoming political) I’d be able to agree with you.

I’m not saying his motives are confirmed, but to say he’s not a groyper would be ignoring the information we do have.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Tyler Robinson shot Kirk. The Colorado school shooter from the same day is a different person.

And those aren’t Lemmy memes - do you know what a groyper is?

The casings were engraved with groyper memes, yes.

So… To you, hate towards a group of people, and hate of a person spreading hate for a group of people - thats the same thing to you?

You see absolutely zero difference between “this person did awful things” and “all ‘x’ people are awful by nature of being born as ‘x’”?

And you want me to reflect on my thoughts?

Wow. Those are some wild leaps.

Enjoy your day, I have no interest in anything more with you.

Are you equating:

• People taking a job where you wear a mask to cover up because the shit youre doing has been considered illegal for decades
• People taking a job where you knowingly ruin government programs that millions of people rely on

With:

• People saying “Charlie Kirk was hateful and inspired violence”

?

Christian fascism has been a thing for a loooooong time.

Casings, not bullets. Also all groyper memes/references.

“Why do you hate oil? Youre a radical leftist communist socialist anarchist antifa!”

I dunno, I feel like you can make anything seem political if you have no morals or values. Just look at how they treat people who are trans.

“There” meaning the FBI. This is why I asked who you thought I was referring to, because I was talking about the people who came to the dumbest possible conclusion based on two arrows among 5

I guess I don’t have a functioning brain because I didn’t interpolate you talking about the FBI.

I would actually just assume youre exhausted from all this fucking insanity. I know I am.

Dude, why are you suddenly so mad?

Yes, Kash Patel canned anyone capable of thought beyond “maga!”.

Including the head of the field office that has been working this case just a few weeks back.

I’m fine with what I said. I have no idea why you’re reacting wildly.

Yeah, gonna have to take exception with that statement, pardner.

…Who do you think I’m referring to?

That is an insane interpretation.

The people making that interpretation is who I’m talking about. Who do you think I’m talking about?

Yeah, definitely more being blasted about when they could hate on trans folks. Do you know how they arrived at that?

“Hey, fascist! Catch! ↑ → ↓↓↓”

They interpreted up and right as female/male, therefore “trans symbology”.

I’m not joking. There is no one with a functioning brain left there.

I would be surprised.

Shared this with someone else earlier:

• Everything on the casings is Helldiver’s 2 memes and groyper memes
• Trump costume
• Pepe meme outfit (Adidas hoodie crouching)
• Fuentes and Kirk had issues going back nearly a decade, so that fits.

Oh I can give you that info too

Check out the groyper wars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers

Pssst…

Both shooters were deep in the alt-right pipeline.

This was the best I could find without people in it when it first went up:

Are you fucking kidding me

There is, but that’s not really what this community is for, as listed in the sidebar, for specific instances and with info.

A title complaining and nothing else goes against the purpose…

There was an absolute mountain of evidence with OJ. His case was an example of bad evidence handling, not a lack of evidence.

I think where the communication issue between you and I is coming from is you think I’m doing the “both sides are exactly the same” schtick

The problem is, the nonsensical “blue maga” is creating a false equivalence, railing against people saying “Vote Blue No Matter Who” does, in fact, push the “both sides” narrative. I get that you aren’t intending it that way, but that is absolutely what people will read out of it, its what people do read out of it. There are magas picking up on it and reading it as “So clearly its fine for us, they do it too!”

So forget the politics itself for a second and look at the difference between what I posted and what you posted (even include what Diva posted). There is a drastic difference between the cult around Trump - people literally wrapping their cars, homes, even themselves in “TRUMP!” - and “Here are some stickers and shirts with no name on them” or even “Here’s a random banner with Newsom’s name on it, but explicitly making a reference to upset Trump”.

These are nowhere near the same thing. Even this:

the cult of personality coalescing around people like Newsom

I would say is wrong. I don’t think you’re seeing a cult of personality around him, more accurate would be people rallying behind Newsom because he is doing more than others to directly work against Trump and the fascist administration. He sure as hell isn’t anyone I’d want running the country either, but when it comes down to it…

the lack of conviction for any meaningful message other than “we’re not them”.

“We’re not them” is unfortunately still too important. Not losing to fascists is far too important.

I think what you’re seeing as a cult of personality around Newsom is a view skewed by media presentation (inclusive of here on Lemmy). My friend, for example, still uses instagram and all the other corpo nonsense out there - an entirely separate discussion - and will regularly share his posts and memes. I can tell you exactly what she’d say about him too, “He’s a complete twat waffle”. So why does she share it, why does she say “Vote Blue”?

Over here, no one outside of party members themselves has so much faith in any one party.

Its directly related to this. She has such little faith in the Democrats, and so do I, about so many things. What we are sure of though is that any Republican win goes toward a speed run in the wrong direction.

Even the fact you have to declare voting intentions when you register is absolutely insane to me, it feels like such a massive violation of the secret ballot.

A complete lack of proportional representation, FPTP rather than score/rcv/whatever, this is the core problem. Without this being resolved, strategic voting is key.

Undermining it with something that broadcasts as “Look they are the same!!” is just disincentivizing progressive voters, creating apathy, and effectively pushing for a Republican win. Lets be clear here - there is zero opportunity for a new party to spring up for the next general election or even midterms and have any degree of success. Even getting on a ballot as a third party can be a nightmare, even worse to get recognized as one, state-dependent.

But I guess that’s what happens when you can vote third-party and still pick “the lesser of two evils” at the same time.

It would be great if that were an option here.

It isn’t (yet). And if republicans stay in power, it likely won’t be ever - just look at how Trump was pushing for redistricting to gerrymander their way to additional control.

So when I see “bluemaga”, yeah, it pisses me off. In no way, shape, or form is “Vote Blue No Matter Who” remotely close to the cult that is maga, and there are reasons why people say to vote blue. For people I care about, its about survival. Still hardship that they do not deserve and should never have experienced in the first place, but they will survive to fight for better.

To me, that is far too important.