At some point they’ll have to bring out the big guns and murder Bob Dylan.

As I said. This individual simply cannot tolerate a different reading of the pro-corporate, anti-diversity EU so they immediately resort to vulgar insult.

Believe it or not it suits me personally, on the most cynical level - free movement etc - to be in the EU. It just happens that I grew up with people who have been hammered by EU membership, and who voted heavily against it. I abstained because I won’t vote against the interests of the people I grew up with.

What I said about reform is absolutely on the cards anyway, forcing a rejoining of the EU on people who voted against it greatly hastens their rise. This is something I don’t want to see. EU citizens don’t seem able to bend, and when you don’t bend you break.

Anyway. Block it is.

There is literally zero chance of the British accepting the Euro. It has disaster baked into it.

The Maastricht treaty defined that you lose the right to 1. run budsget deficits in periods of economic contraction. 2. Set interest rates. 3. Devalu your currency when necessary.

Greece got to borrow at rates Germany enjoy - for a while. Germany gets a hugely devalued currency which actually allows it to be a great exporter (well that and the US post WW2 investment).

This inequality in peripheral countries absolutely drives the rise of the far right.

Other than that |the British people don’t want to be in the EU. Being forced into it will put Reform UK into power. They are as Russia aligned as Trump.

Edit - I know most poeople will not be able to cope with this reading of the EU and will not change their mind in any way. When presented with a fact that does not match the reality one has (co-)constructed one has to reject the fact, because one cannot reject reality. So I am happy to agree to disagree, I won’t reply further in this thread, I will just block. And you can downvote this, but you can’t downvote reality away. If only you could, eh!?

The UK political classes ignoring the brexit vote, and rejoining the EU gets Reform UK into power. Who will leave the EU, and are as aligned with Russia as Trump is.

The likes of the bbc framed the brexit debate as a choice between ‘liberalism’ and something xenophobic, which is not why the vast majority of people wanted out of the EU, and omitted the stories of the majority who had very good reason to be unhappy with the EU.

The EU is pro corporatism, anti diversity (why have one set of rules for all of Europe, written by corporate lobbyists in Brussels? What is right for the majority of UK citizens, is not right for the Irish, What is right for Germans is not right for Greeks. etc etc etc. Europe has a wonderfully diverse culture, one set of homogenised rules written by corporate lobbbyists is not right and never will be. Brexit is about the right to self-determinism and autonomy.

The EU was an American idea. They wanted a bulwark against the Soviet Union in Europe. We are in a very different world now.

If the EU wants a Russia aligned nuclear power on their Western side within a decade they push for the UK to rejoin. Th EU ere disgusting in their dealing with the UK post brexit. To expect or demand further concession shows just how hopelessly mislead EU citizens are.

Even opening up a poll on X to see what his users think about the idea…

Presumably the other headline that read ‘50% of voters’ were in favour of this party, should have read ‘50% of X users who voted in the poll (a potentially large proportion of which were bots owned and controlled ultimately by Elon Musk) were in favour of this party’

1. US (and in fact all ‘Western’) media is as bent as anything in the former Soviet Union.

2. America certainly is in the hypernormalisation phase. I’m not sure how far behind the UK (and other Western nations media) is because I really don’t engage in the media here. But any Murdoch owned media (like Fox in the US) is at the very least poisonous to open and fair democracy, and egalitarian society.