Well, that last point I disagree with. How much legislation have republicans passed despite controlling all three branches of government in the last 2 years? The only thing they know is sound bites for their propaganda and obstruction of anything that would actually benefit Americans.
I think cultists gonna cult. They’ve been so brainwashed that all democrats are demons that they will vote republican no matter what even if you point to a democrat who has supported everything they care about…
But maybe you’re right - except for the fact that he won’t be removed by the senate. If they could find the votes, then absolutely they should
Not sure if you meant to reply to someone else, but I’ll bite.
I didn’t say any of that stuff is allowed or ok, that’s your straw man.
Impeachment isn’t the only avenue to punishing those crimes. In fact, I’d say it’s one of the worst at this point. I don’t want them fired, I want them jailed.
The only potential benefit I could see to impeachment would be discovery and congressional subpoenas which could ultimately be used as evidence in a criminal trial.
You’re not wrong and I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But I would be prioritizing legislation to fix things over trying and failing to remove via impeachment.
I also believe that accountability is necessary. Investigations and preparation of criminal charges should begin immediately.
Yeah, but that’s the problem. If he’s spineless then there’s a good chance someone else would be pulling his strings.
Did we just become best friends?
But my point is that even if you remove Trump, what exactly makes you think Vance will be more rational? Vance has no scruples about lying through is teeth to get what he wants, he has no issues with demonizing his political oponents. He has backed the party and talked their talking points every step of the way.
This isn’t like the first time when Pence was next in line. Someone who stood a chance of being reasonable. Someone who still had enough honor to certify the vote despite what Nacho Supreme cold him. Vance is a yes man, and if it isn’t Trump pulling his strings, it’ll be someone else like Steven Miller.
Bingo. Focus on trying to get legislation passed that will last long beyond Trump’s presidency. He may veto everything, but at least there’s genuine effort being made.
And here’s what I’m wondering - are any republican congresspeople who are up for reelection in 2028 gonna take the blue wave to heart and consider actually passing legislation to help people?
Apparently this is a hot take: He’s right. Impeachment of Trump is performative at this point. Dems still don’t have the votes in the senate to convict and remove. Trump is a lame duck president with two years left. Even if he were removed, what then? President JD Vance? That’s a lateral move at best with how much he lies too. The only difference is that JD could legally run in 2028. And if he’s already president, it’ll be tougher to get rid of him, especially if he tones down some of the MAGA behavior. Suddenly people might think that he’s reasonable compared to Trump.
Morally, and even legally, impeachment is the right thing to do. Politically, a presidential impeachment is pointless. If they’re gonna do it, do it fast, get everyone’s votes on the record, and move on.
I don’t want democrat attention on impeaching Trump when we know it won’t accomplish anything. I want them focused on legislation and creating lasting change even if Trump vetoes every bill. Better yet, start writing and updating legislation to criminalize some of the crazy stuff we’ve seen.
Just collect the evidence, prepare criminal cases, and prosecute on January 6th 2029.
As for positions other than president, yes, impeach every last one of them and refuse to confirm replacements.
I do like your optimism, but I think elevating JD Vance to president at this stage is a bad idea. It would be a circus and a distraction from more important matters. It was one thing when Pence was VP who at least had some moral fiber left and it could have removed the possibility of a second term. It’s another thing with a lame duck president whose VP lies just as easily and openly as he does.
I didn’t say let them off the hook, I spoke only of impeachment and only of Trump. There are plenty of legal avenues to pursue outside of impeachment. Like maybe sentencing a felon after they’re convicted.
Yes but not enough to convict.
Politics is an insane game to play. Here’s why impeaching is probably a bad idea at this point: It’s gonna take longer than two years and even if it is expedited and successful, if he’s removed, what do we gain? President JD Vance? Trump becomes a martyr, and Vance rides that into his own presidential bid in 2028.
You are morally and legally right that he needs to be impeached and removed, but will that further our goals at this point? Or will it be an unncessary distraction and a constant talking point about his victimhood for the right wing propaganda machine?
We’ve got a lame duck president now, best just to hobble him as best as they can, run out the clock, and focus on things that will make a more significant difference to the average person. Better to try to make some lasting change in the form of legislation.
No, it does. It’s called Project 2025.
His agenda isn’t what he told his voters, it never was.
Let’s be real, even stymieing Trump’s agenda, which is a certainty already, is progress.
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Sure, and that’s true. I was more highlighting the problems with the pardon system overall.
That is exactly what I was explaining. Maybe I missed your point and we were saying the same thing.
I could see thinking geographically and saying something like Cuba, but Ohio? That’s a new level of disconnection from reality.
That’s a good point, and it supports mine in fact. The legislation I want would be something like health care reform. When the administration’s goals aren’t and were never to create lasting meaningful change for the average citizen, when the judiciary rubber stamps things we all know are wrong, the legislative process becomes obsolete.
We aren’t measuring success by the same metrics as they are.