Might is the keyword here I think. A decade ago I had a couple coworkers I knew for a few years, talked video games with them all the time. One day the subject of Trump came up and I, for the first time, discovered they were rabid Trump supporters, never talked to them again.

I imagine there were many people in his orbit with no knowledge or interest in what he was doing, the sheer volume of people he associated with would make that a far likelier scenario. Until something directly tying him to actual allegations or evidence comes out his name in the files means very little to me.

You seem to be approaching this from the point of view that every person Epstein ever met knew and supported what he was doing. Why?

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This is very true. By no means are they perfect and they still stick a bit too hard to voting for any Republican candidate but they do dislike Trump’s schtick more than most.

Very true about the SLC area, but they’ve done a very good job of keeping the rest of the state pointed in a… different direction.

You misunderstand, it is already massively gerrymandered and I’m certainly glad it’s not getting worse, but it’s already a very broken state politically.

Oh agreed completely, I’m just cynical about Utah politics from living here so many years.

Yeah to be fair Utah is already so gerrymandered it won’t make much difference.

I mean, sentencing guidelines, amongst other things.

You… you know sentencing someone to 30 seconds isn’t a thing, right?

I’m gonna have to disagree that they are the same. Unconditional surrender, occupation of an opposing force, then negotiation to recover leadership of your own territory is not the same as a negotiated cease fire.