• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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    14 days ago

    Certainly that was what that nonsense about “Russia enacting their own genocide barely 1000 miles away” ultimately is

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      14 days ago

      I wouldn’t say the atrocities in Gaza or the Donbas are EQUAL, no, not at all. For one thing, the Ukrainians are actually allowed to fight back without being labeled as terrorists. But Russia’s goals (and some actions, mostly conducted earlier in the conflict) certainly fit the definition of genocide

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        14 days ago

        No, they don’t; that’s just the western liberal need to slap the genocide label on every bad thing enemy countries do (because they’ve already normalized every other war crime)

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          14 days ago

          The internationally recognized, legal definition of a genocide is ‘the deliberate or systematic destruction, in part or in whole, of a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group’ including (among other things) the forcible transfer of children from one group to another. And Russia has been trying very hard for a while now to erase Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine and replace them with Russians.

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            14 days ago

            ‘the deliberate or systematic destruction, in part or in whole, of a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group’

            Which Russia is not attempting to do.

            And Russia has been trying very hard for a while now to erase Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine and replace them with Russians.

            See what I mean? Western liberals will make up any old bullshit to accuse their enemies of genocide; which is a big part of why an actual genocide gets so little push back: because people like you have run the term into the ground.

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                13 days ago

                Okay Botski

                And there it is: people like you have normalized every other war crime so much that someone like me, who thinks Russia is a fascist gangster state committing a brutal war of aggression but not a genocide, is completely indistinguishable from a literal Russian agent. That’s why you need it to be a genocide: because you want to condemn it, but you’ve already normalized every other atrocity so much that you don’t even see them as bad anymore. And you’re rabidly trying to do the same for genocide as well

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                  12 days ago

                  That’s a lot of assumptions based on those two words I said. But for real though, why are we arguing the semantics when we’re both in agreement that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and Israel’s genocide of Palestine are both atrocities that need to be stopped as soon as possible

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                    12 days ago

                    Maybe, but I consider them good assumptions.

                    why are we arguing the semantics when we’re both in agreement that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and Israel’s genocide of Palestine are both atrocities that need to be stopped as soon as possible

                    Because the abuse of semantics and the reduction of terms like genocide to rhetorical snarl words to be recklessly thrown at any enemies has enabled Russia and Israel to do what they’re doing with so little push back.